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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Interesting development. The important thing here seems to be that VW wanted a union so that could have worker's councils like they have in Germany. The trouble is that under the Wagner Act you can't have worker's councils without a union.

Hopefully, VW will institute workers councils and some union will sue and the Supreme Court will overturn that part of the Wagner Act. It seems anti-labor to disallow worker involvement in the running of a plant simply because it is non-unionized. The workers come first, not the union.

UAW Crushed. What Comes Next? | The Daily Caller
 
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don't waste time on the anti-labor crowd.

the agenda that they support will shut them out, and the people whom they spend so much time defending will actively work against letting them in.

me, i'm bothered that their kids and grandkids will have to work in the labor environment that they create. mine will, too. hopefully, the kiddos will be smarter than we are.
Working conditions? Do you pay attention to the statistics between UAW controlled auto plants and non-uaw plants? Toyota has a plant here in San Antonio... it's one the best jobs in the city if you can land one. No Union, and the workers are very happy.
 
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How strange when turkeys vote for Christmas.
 
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Since the only liars in this event were GOP politicians, that would make you the liar.

Once again, no proof will be found for the UAW thugging in Tennessee as Corker, Norquist and Haslam did--Lie #2.

You mean the out-sourcing of American jobs overseas due to GOP policies--Lie #3 .

:lamo

You know, joining the abject liars from the Unions, by adding more lies of your own, is not going to win the argument.

For example, the lie about Volkswagen accepting union action. Why are you and the rest of the union support puppet network hiding the fact that Volkswagon had a gun put to their head by the largest labor union in Germany IG Metall, who hold half the seats on their supervisory board? Why hide that? Doesn't fit the narrative that Volkswagen is "union friendly"

Why hide the millions and millions the Unions and their puppets stole from membership elsewhere to fund the manipulation and threatening they did in Tennessee?

As to the outsourcing pile of poop Proglibbies like to lie about, why not start with the real reason, Union greed. Google is your friend, and it will take you to the truth. Goodle 1959 US Steel Strike, and the effect it had on imported goods.

You're welcome to remain ignorant, and just another purveyor of lies, but you may not want to be so public about it.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Good for the workers voting down unionization.


I must say though, that this is really weird.
The workers not wanting a union, but the company does. :shrug:

What will this topsy turvery world produce next?
 
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No, I'm flat out stating that Grover Norquist continues to be the ahole he's always been, using your language.
That the words ahole and dupe would come to your typing is quite telling.

Along with the lying Sen. Corker and Gov. Haslam, who VW had to publicly correct several times.
Now tell me how those NON-Union plants in North Carolina dumping coal ash into the waters are doing right now in federal court.
See ya Gov. McCrory.

And nice job by the NON-Union companies fouling water in West Virginia for 300,000 folks.
Those people are still melting snow to take a bath .

Perhaps the workers, who live in a heavily Republican area and many of whom are Republicans, simply didn't care to pay union dues which would be earmarked to help finance Democratic candidates and Democratic campaigns.
 
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What does that even mean? Unions have been falling out of favor with WORKERS for a generation. Unions are not necessary any more and that is why they have been reduced largely to the public sector. The ones who benefit the most from unionization are not the workers but liberal politicians who can count on the campaign donations confiscated from the union members. If people felt unions were a benefit to them, they would be growing. They are not.

This isn't 1930 any more. Liberals still live in the New Deal, FDR, union and public works mindset. The world has moved on. Time to catch up.

I like libertarian bedtime stories, but it's still too early in the day.

My favorite is when something happens and you guys get kicked out of your comfortable jobs due to eroding job security. I've heard some libertarians turn into Eugene V. Debs on internal corporate boards. Lol. "I've got mine; **** you" works pretty well until the tide comes in. Also, your kid is going to feel a lot different about laissez fairy tales.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Working conditions? Do you pay attention to the statistics between UAW controlled auto plants and non-uaw plants? Toyota has a plant here in San Antonio... it's one the best jobs in the city if you can land one. No Union, and the workers are very happy.


VW doesn't seem to care if they organize; why do you? It's mostly just the Tennessee anti labor movement and fox news that is freaking out. Why not just stay out of it and let the parties involved settle it?
 
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VW doesn't seem to care if they organize; why do you? It's mostly just the Tennessee anti labor movement and fox news that is freaking out. Why not just stay out of it and let the parties involved settle it?
They did. Love the dishonest abuse of the English language you utilize. Who is anti-labour? Anti-union does not equate anti-labour. Just thought id call out your bull****.
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Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

They did. Love the dishonest abuse of the English language you utilize. Who is anti-labour? Anti-union does not equate anti-labour. Just thought id call out your bull****.

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every time the word "union" comes up, be it it public or private, you all swarm in and start bashing labor.

i'm not for giving unions everything they want and choking companies to death. however, i'm also not for depressed wages and low job security, either. i don't want my kid to grow up in a world where it's "good job, you're fired, independent contractor," and multiple part time jobs with ****ty wages and ****tier hours. that's where we're going. for some of us, that's where we're at. the balance of power between employer and employee is very skewed right now, and needs a correction. labor organization is the best way to get there.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

UAW Political spending:

Political Spending
Federal Election Donations, by Party

Donations to Democrats
$50,725,777 (96%)
Donations to Republicans
$1,718,982 (3%)

Source: Federal Elections Commission by way of the Center for Responsive Politics

That's strange. According to OpenSecrets, the UAW gave less than $14 million in 2012 in the Presidential race.

Labor: Top Contributors to Federal Candidates, Parties, and Outside Groups | OpenSecrets

And only $15 million total in 2012

United Auto Workers: Summary | OpenSecrets
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

The outsourcing is because the cost of doing business here is too high. Things like UNIONS, TAXES, REGULATIONS.... things the GOP stands not for. So you're helplessly, as usual, wrong here.

Lie! The company still wants to pursue forming it's council with the UAW. Not all business models think cheap labor churn and burn is necessarily a good business model since VW makes it clear it is paramount to include labor in determining business decisions. Good for them! This may be the change we need.

HAMBURG/BERLIN (Reuters) - Volkswagen's works council said it would press on with efforts to set up labor representation at its Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, undeterred by a workers' vote against any such step involving the United Auto Workers union (UAW).

Employees at the plant, in a region traditionally hostile to organized labor, on Friday opted to reject representation by the union, whose membership has plummeted 75 percent since 1979 and now stands at just under 400,000.

"The outcome of the vote, however, does not change our goal of setting up a works council in Chattanooga," Gunnar Kilian, secretary general of VW's works council, said in a statement on Sunday, adding that workers continued to back the idea of labor representation at the plant.

VW's rise to become one of the top three global carmakers is intertwined with the influence of labor, whose representatives make up half of the group's 20-member supervisory board.

"Representation in Chattanooga is paramount to the unions at VW," said Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer, head of the Center of Automotive Research at the University of Duisburg-Essen.

"The U.S. are the last blank spot on VW's global map where labor does not yet have a voice. The VW group's works council will do what it can to change that and it's fully backed by management." Chicago Tribune
 
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That's strange. According to OpenSecrets, the UAW gave less than $14 million in 2012 in the Presidential race.

Labor: Top Contributors to Federal Candidates, Parties, and Outside Groups | OpenSecrets

And only $15 million total in 2012

United Auto Workers: Summary | OpenSecrets

METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs, soft money donors, and individuals giving $200 or more. (Only those groups giving $5,000 or more are listed here. Soft money applies only to cycles 1992-2002.) In many cases, the organizations themselves did not donate; rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs, soft money donors, and individuals giving $200 or more. (Only those groups giving $5,000 or more are listed here. Soft money applies only to cycles 1992-2002.) In many cases, the organizations themselves did not donate; rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

That doesn't explain why they claim that the UAW gave $50 million when the truth is the UAW gave less than $15 million
 
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That doesn't explain why they claim that the UAW gave $50 million when the truth is the UAW gave less than $15 million

Your numbers or OpenSecrets numbers are for one year for one election.

The UnionFacts numbers are for more than one year and more than one election.

I went to the UnionFacts source and it took me to the source you provided, OpenSecrets.

The UnionFacts numbers doesn't say how far back these numbers go but I'm guessing 2001.

So your numbers are correct because they are for one year for one election.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

I like libertarian bedtime stories, but it's still too early in the day.

My favorite is when something happens and you guys get kicked out of your comfortable jobs due to eroding job security. I've heard some libertarians turn into Eugene V. Debs on internal corporate boards. Lol. "I've got mine; **** you" works pretty well until the tide comes in. Also, your kid is going to feel a lot different about laissez fairy tales.

Chevy's job bank where they would pay people who did nothing all day full wages and benefits, and pensions for sitting in a room for 4 hours watching tv and playing cards was one of the reasons that chevy was going under.

No job should be considered secure. your job security depends on your ability to produce. if you are not producing why should you keep your job?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

And even these good Conservative folks came close to going UAW, that's how fed-up Southern folks are at the divisive GOP.
They know Corker/Haslam/Norquist are garbage, they just couldn't quite pull the trigger yet.

The GOP is very worried, and the deregulation disasters in North Carolina with coal-ash into the water
and in West Virginia with chemicals destroying the water for 300,000 folks will punish them in the up-coming elections.

A tip of the cap to Volkswagon for being above the lunacy of the Tennessee GOP.
We will be trying to woo VW to Illinois in the future .
Not likely. I live in the 9th Congressional District which is said to be the most conservative district on the east coast.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Your numbers or OpenSecrets numbers are for one year for one election.

The UnionFacts numbers are for more than one year and more than one election.

I went to the UnionFacts source and it took me to the source you provided, OpenSecrets.

The UnionFacts numbers doesn't say how far back these numbers go but I'm guessing 2001.

So your numbers are correct because they are for one year for one election.

IOW, you're #'s are complete BS
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

And even these good Conservative folks came close to going UAW, that's how fed-up Southern folks are at the divisive GOP.
They know Corker/Haslam/Norquist are garbage, they just couldn't quite pull the trigger yet.

The GOP is very worried, and the deregulation disasters in North Carolina with coal-ash into the water
and in West Virginia with chemicals destroying the water for 300,000 folks will punish them in the up-coming elections.

A tip of the cap to Volkswagon for being above the lunacy of the Tennessee GOP.
We will be trying to woo VW to Illinois in the future .

There will always be a portion of the population who are greedy and wanted top pay for what is mostly low skilled jobs. Assuming that the coal ash or chemical spills are because companies are nonunion is another union fallacy. You remember when Ford Explorers were blowing tires and rolling over? The union assholes tried to say that it was because the Firestone tires were made by nonunion workers when in fact it was a design error on Ford's part. A problem in the vehicle's antilock braking system caused the left rear brake to stay applied heating up the wheel, and it happened no matter what tires were on it. But dishonest union folks tried to politicise it anyway.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

And even these good Conservative folks came close to going UAW, that's how fed-up Southern folks are at the divisive GOP.
They know Corker/Haslam/Norquist are garbage, they just couldn't quite pull the trigger yet.

The GOP is very worried, and the deregulation disasters in North Carolina with coal-ash into the water
and in West Virginia with chemicals destroying the water for 300,000 folks will punish them in the up-coming elections.

A tip of the cap to Volkswagon for being above the lunacy of the Tennessee GOP.
We will be trying to woo VW to Illinois in the future .

That was not due to deregulation but inspectors not doing their job. i see you ignored what i posted early.
both of those plants are union plants so i guess the union failed to do it's job accurately in making sure that everything was up to snuff.
 
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That was not due to deregulation but inspectors not doing their job.
It is understood that inspectors don't do their jobs in RED states where they are paid off not to.
How has that worked out for Non-Union miners in the past?
i see you ignored what i posted early.
With your attitude, I could care less what you posted.
There are many more hate-union-merchants ahead of you posting to me.
both of those plants are union plants so i guess the union failed to do it's job accurately in making sure that everything was up to snuff.
We'll see how the federal grand jury feels in North Carolina when they're done with the crooked governor and his links to Duke energy.
You may want to keep an eye on this story this week so you know what you're talking about.
I watch and listen to all of the mouthpieces so I do .
 
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It is understood that inspectors don't do their jobs in RED states where they are paid off not to.
How has that worked out for Non-Union miners in the past?

the current Gov is a democrat so why is he not making sure that his inspectors are doing their job?

With your attitude, I could care less what you posted.
There are many more hate-union-merchants ahead of you posting to me.

This has nothing to do with you not responding to your assertion that they were not union shops when they are.

We'll see how the federal grand jury feels in North Carolina when they're done with the crooked governor and his links to Duke energy.
You may want to keep an eye on this story this wee so you know what you're talking aqbout.
I watch and listen to all of the mouthpieces so I do .

No you said that these non-union shops were responsible for all this disaster. both of these plants are unionized. in fact Duke just finished it's next union contract.
So evidently you don't understand what is going on. so these plant failures were then the fault of the onsite union people not making sure that the correct protocol's were being used. after all they are union plants.

what this has to do with TN voting down on their union is beyond me.

VW evidently has made it a good place to work that workers don't feel they need a union. it wasn't even close to being close there was about 86 vote difference with almost 90% of the plant voting. on a limited voting scale that is huge.

while they are interested in an internal labor council they just don't want the UAW involved. they saw all the issues that UAW caused for the big 3 and don't want to deal with the mess.

your right i am anti-union when it comes how the UAW, teamsters and any other union that is more concerned with union dues and how much union pay they get vs the health and prosperity of the company as a whole. a company doesn't need a union the reverse of that is not true.
 
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the current Gov is a democrat so why is he not making sure that his inspectors are doing their job?
The governor in North Carolina is a GOP.
He has been served with a subpeona for his ties to Duke Energy.
He worked for Duke for 28 years.
Duke has 30-some coal-ash ponds in NC.
Duke gave him one million dollars as a campaign pay-off .
 
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your right i am anti-union when it comes how the UAW, teamsters and any other union that is more concerned with union dues and how much union pay they get vs the health and prosperity of the company as a whole. a company doesn't need a union the reverse of that is not true.

Why doesn't Volkswagon feel this way?
I assure you they are so forward-looking they are already looking forward to leaving Tennessee .
 
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VW evidently has made it a good place to work that workers don't feel they need a union. it wasn't even close to being close there was about 86 vote difference with almost 90% of the plant voting. on a limited voting scale that is huge..
86 votes is about 6 % of the total vote.
What level of math did you reach to say that this isn't close?
The GOP is terrified to see the UAW and Democrats on their home turf!

The Tennessee VW workers have a great job BECAUSE of VW,
not because TEN is a right to work for much less money and bennie state .
 
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