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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is funny. Local government will create an environment that people flee from - and then when it all collapses they blame the people they ran off - and some people actually buy their excuses for destroying their own city.

    The government and mostly Democrats killed the golden goose and the Detroit auto industry. They regulated, restricted and taxed it into the ground. The auto industry was booming and expanding in the 60s - and then the zippy pinhead liberals decided that cars had to be more ethical and nice, as did their factories. At the same time, trade unions instead became left wing political organizations. And that was the end of the boom never to return.

    I think the legitimacy of trade unions ended when they shifted from militantly opposing cheap immigrant labor to militantly supporting it having become Democrat Party groupies. From that moment, unions became the open enemy of their own members.
    Sad how nearly everything is looked through partisan glasses. Democrat groupies, left wing organizations, liberals....how about it having to do with globalization? Not Libs, Dem groupies, left wing organization blah blah blah

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, tensions started prior to factory closings.
    I made no claim about sequencing, only about impact and end state. I hope you're not going to try to claim that factory closings did not contribute to Detroit's depopulation.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    VW is not owned by BMW.
    hmm thought I heard some where that BMW bought them.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    hmm thought I heard some where that BMW bought them.
    Nope. BMW bought Mini-Cooper. VW is a much bigger company than BMW.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What exactly does right to work state have to do with anything?
    A Right-To-Work state follows a statute that governs whether or not a union can require payment of union dues as a condition of employment. It also prevents them from excluding non-union workers. There are currently 24 states that have Right to Work laws. The company I worked for agreed to allow a union to attempt to unionize non-factory workers, since the factory workers had already been unionized. The vote was a resounding NO from 90 percent of the non-union workers. The union never tried again. Perhaps the office staff didn't want everyone making the same amount of money, but felt it was better to negotiate their own salaries, based on the job they did, which encouraged those that wanted to advance on their own merit. The union also wanted to have everyone wear a uniform. Now when you're dealing with females in an office situation, you can imagine the reaction to that bright idea!. The Company had a dress code in place which stated what appropriate office attire consisted of...no see-through clothing, no blue jeans, etc. And this was a Fortune 500 company that had over 100,000 employees in many different countries in addition to the US. A union just wasn't needed or wanted.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    A Right-To-Work state follows a statute that governs whether or not a union can require payment of union dues as a condition of employment. It also prevents them from excluding non-union workers. There are currently 24 states that have Right to Work laws. The company I worked for agreed to allow a union to attempt to unionize non-factory workers, since the factory workers had already been unionized. The vote was a resounding NO from 90 percent of the non-union workers. The union never tried again. Perhaps the office staff didn't want everyone making the same amount of money, but felt it was better to negotiate their own salaries, based on the job they did, which encouraged those that wanted to advance on their own merit. The union also wanted to have everyone wear a uniform. Now when you're dealing with females in an office situation, you can imagine the reaction to that bright idea!. The Company had a dress code in place which stated what appropriate office attire consisted of...no see-through clothing, no blue jeans, etc. And this was a Fortune 500 company that had over 100,000 employees in many different countries in addition to the US. A union just wasn't needed or wanted.

    Greetings, rabbitcaebannog.
    Hi Polgara, just so you know, Detroit is currently a right to work state but I don't think that had anything to do with why VW set up in Chattanooga.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Public unions are under attack too. The last bastion. As earlier stated, the elimination of labor unions by people who have a vested interest against labor rights. These are the same politicians and powerful influences that support race to the bottom policies. That's not smart for citizens of a country in any shape or form. Absolute power corrupts.
    IT DOES Corrupt, which is why public sector unions are so terrible.
    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," he wrote. "It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management."

    Roosevelt didnít stop there.

    "The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations," he wrote.

    When Walker claimed FDR said "the government is the people," he had Rooseveltís next line in mind.

    "The employer," Rooseveltís letter added, "is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."
    Did FDR oppose collective bargaining for government workers? | PolitiFact Wisconsin

    One of the few areas I agree with FDR, and in this case he makes quite the formidable case against public sector unions.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    IT DOES Corrupt, which is why public sector unions are so terrible.

    Did FDR oppose collective bargaining for government workers? | PolitiFact Wisconsin

    One of the few areas I agree with FDR, and in this case he makes quite the formidable case against public sector unions.
    Here we go with a misinformation campaign.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Here we go with a misinformation campaign.
    Lol? This should amuse us all... you really shouldnt tell us you're about to start lying.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Here we go with a misinformation campaign.
    Oh, so now Politi-Fact is "misinformation" when it comes out against your ideas of unionization eh? Is it only that? or does it extend to everything that is contrary to your ideology that is "misinformation".....

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