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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Something to offer beyond a reaffirmation of your prejudices?
    I don't know, do you?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    Yes, Detroit has a declining population because all those factories closed.
    White flight took place prior to the closing of the factories.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    I don't know, do you?
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    White flight took place prior to the closing of the factories.
    And black people don't like factory jobs?
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I am but a humble servant of the data.
    That's not data. That is opinion.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And black people don't like factory jobs?
    I never said they don't. I was referring to the tensions in the city that help deplete the population.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I really don't understand this. The VW plant in Tennessee obeys US laws in their car manufacturing business, not German law, the same way I assume US companies follow the laws of the countries they do business in. The Tennessee workers apparently felt they were being treated fairly by VW here in the US, and they voted no to being represented by a union. If IG Metall decides to try again to unionize US workers here, and they succeed, who gets the union dues? Germany? That's not going to go over well. I understand the problems VW management in Germany face... which seems to be spilling over to US VW management... in trying to keep the German workers' union happy, but they lost this time. VW in Germany decided to move to a right-to-work State for a reason. As someone pointed out earlier, Detroit facilities were, and still are, available. Where is my thinking faulty?

    Further, since the VW Passat won the 2012 Motor Trend Car of the year award, according to the Forbes article, quality cars can be built by workers in Tennessee without union representation.

    Greetings, Jack.
    What exactly does right to work state have to do with anything?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I never said they don't. I was referring to the tensions in the city that help deplete the population.
    Just like closing factories.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I never said they don't. I was referring to the tensions in the city that help deplete the population.
    It is funny. Local government will create an environment that people flee from - and then when it all collapses they blame the people they ran off - and some people actually buy their excuses for destroying their own city.

    The government and mostly Democrats killed the golden goose and the Detroit auto industry. They regulated, restricted and taxed it into the ground. The auto industry was booming and expanding in the 60s - and then the zippy pinhead liberals decided that cars had to be more ethical and nice, as did their factories. At the same time, trade unions instead became left wing political organizations. And that was the end of the boom never to return.

    I think the legitimacy of trade unions ended when they shifted from militantly opposing cheap immigrant labor to militantly supporting it having become Democrat Party groupies. From that moment, unions became the open enemy of their own members.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Just like closing factories.
    No, tensions started prior to factory closings.

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