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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    VW is not owned by BMW.
    Beat me to it.
    BMW's Massive, Non-Union Plant Is Basically A Huge "Screw You" To Unions - Business Insider

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Glad you pointed that out. It negates the assertion that union built products are superior. They produce the Beetle there for sale here in the states. The biggest POS since the Yugo.
    Nice off topic comment. I don't care about your opinion about the German Beetle

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post

    Nice off topic comment. I don't care about your opinion about the Mexican Beetle
    Of course not. Why place any value of the opinion on the quality of a car on a guy who is an ASE L1 Master who has been in the business for 26 years? Clearly your partisanship and blind faith make you better qualified.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The unions didn't collapse the auto industry in Detroit.

    Why isn't VW building its new factory in Detroit? Why isn't anyone building factories in Detroit? Or Michigan?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Of course not. Why place any value of the opinion on the quality of a car on a guy who is an ASE L1 Master who has been in the business for 26 years? Clearly your partisanship and blind faith make you better qualified.
    The German Beetle has nothing at all to do with anything in this thread!

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why isn't VW building its new factory in Detroit? Why isn't anyone building factories in Detroit? Or Michigan?
    Detroit still has factories. They also still have a problem with a declining population.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Nice opinion piece from Matt Patterson, Senior Fellow, Center for Economic Freedom, at the Competitive Enterprise Institute;
    Something to offer beyond a reaffirmation of your prejudices?
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Detroit still has factories. They also still have a problem with a declining population.
    Yes, Detroit has a declining population because all those factories closed.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    VW opened up to the UAW in TN to keep peace with IG Metall in Germany. Word now is that IGM is very angry/disappointed with UAW, and will likely seek another union partner in the US to try again. Alternatively, IGM may try itself to organize VW in the US.
    I really don't understand this. The VW plant in Tennessee obeys US laws in their car manufacturing business, not German law, the same way I assume US companies follow the laws of the countries they do business in. The Tennessee workers apparently felt they were being treated fairly by VW here in the US, and they voted no to being represented by a union. If IG Metall decides to try again to unionize US workers here, and they succeed, who gets the union dues? Germany? That's not going to go over well. I understand the problems VW management in Germany face... which seems to be spilling over to US VW management... in trying to keep the German workers' union happy, but they lost this time. VW in Germany decided to move to a right-to-work State for a reason. As someone pointed out earlier, Detroit facilities were, and still are, available. Where is my thinking faulty?

    Further, since the VW Passat won the 2012 Motor Trend Car of the year award, according to the Forbes article, quality cars can be built by workers in Tennessee without union representation.

    Greetings, Jack.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I really don't understand this. The VW plant in Tennessee obeys US laws in their car manufacturing business, not German law, the same way I assume US companies follow the laws of the countries they do business in. The Tennessee workers apparently felt they were being treated fairly by VW here in the US, and they voted no to being represented by a union. If IG Metall decides to try again to unionize US workers here, and they succeed, who gets the union dues? Germany? That's not going to go over well. I understand the problems VW management in Germany face... which seems to be spilling over to US VW management... in trying to keep the German workers' union happy, but they lost this time. VW in Germany decided to move to a right-to-work State for a reason. As someone pointed out earlier, Detroit facilities were, and still are, available. Where is my thinking faulty?

    Further, since the VW Passat won the 2012 Motor Trend Car of the year award, according to the Forbes article, quality cars can be built by workers in Tennessee without union representation.

    Greetings, Jack.
    Greetings, Polgara.

    VW's political position in Germany is critical to the company. They are managing their US business in a way that furthers VW's political interests in Germany. They know the US factory will work just fine regardless.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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