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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I don't want to see anyone lose their job. the problem is that the UAW along with other unions have pushed companies away from dealing with them.
    their constant demand for more more more with no regard to the global economy is what has killed them.

    it costs an US auto plant 70 dollars an hour to pay for 1 union worker.
    it costs the same foreign plant 60 dollars or so. the reason? pension mostly.

    US plants continue to run up huge legacy costs on pensions while their counter-parts are smart and went with good matching 401k's.
    I dont want to see anyone lose their jobs either, as you noted these companies will just move to less expensive plants in the US and elsewhere.
    EVERY plant to shut down has been a union plant, and the trend continues. Unions are toxic to jobs.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont want to see anyone lose their jobs either, as you noted these companies will just move to less expensive plants in the US and elsewhere.
    EVERY plant to shut down has been a union plant, and the trend continues. Unions are toxic to jobs.
    some of the local union and in state items are fine. they ensure that workers are paid correctly and work it out with management to ensure a viable existence of labor and management.
    it is the big national unions that cause most of the issues.

    the reason is that their operating costs are so high that they are running out of money while paying big fat checks to union bosses. I find it funny that these guys are suppose to be for the working man while making 300k+ a year. that comes from YOUR paycheck.

    so while you make strike pay of 25 a week they are getting full checks. the only reason your on strike is because they talked you into it or the majority of people into it.

    it is the national labor guys that you have to watch out for.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I believe the law is the company can not be the one to have set up the council/union. Which generally means it has to be administered by an outside organization. Imagine paying dues to a union that is controlled by the company you are working for. I expect it arose from the company towns that the US used to have
    Why do you have to pay dues to anyone in a "work council" set-up? All the employees have to do is have a meeting, vote for representatives, inform the company's representatives, set up meetings and meet. Employees can filter concerns through their representatives and the company through theirs. Should be no significant costs to such an arrangement - the company can provided coffee and donuts, etc.

    Unions and union dues seem to be generated now to wine and dine and pay the union executive, hold negotiations in posh hotels and convention centers, send union executives to Vegas and other locals for conferences, pay high priced labour lawyers, set aside some cash for meager strike pay, and most importantly of all establish slush funds to front politicians who do their bidding in municipal, state, and federal government. It's why unions are so out of favour these days.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    some of the local union and in state items are fine. they ensure that workers are paid correctly and work it out with management to ensure a viable existence of labor and management.
    it is the big national unions that cause most of the issues.

    the reason is that their operating costs are so high that they are running out of money while paying big fat checks to union bosses. I find it funny that these guys are suppose to be for the working man while making 300k+ a year. that comes from YOUR paycheck.

    so while you make strike pay of 25 a week they are getting full checks. the only reason your on strike is because they talked you into it or the majority of people into it.

    it is the national labor guys that you have to watch out for.
    Your information is very dishonest. We are not talking about union heads for wealthy athletes and stars, the subject is UAW. According to Publicintegrity.org, The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earn over $200,000 a year. Ronald Gettelfinger, who resigned as UAW president in 2010, was paid $173,065 in salary and benefits. " Saying benefits are around 30% of a persons compensation, his salary isn't unheard of for his position.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why do you have to pay dues to anyone in a "work council" set-up? All the employees have to do is have a meeting, vote for representatives, inform the company's representatives, set up meetings and meet. Employees can filter concerns through their representatives and the company through theirs. Should be no significant costs to such an arrangement - the company can provided coffee and donuts, etc.

    Unions and union dues seem to be generated now to wine and dine and pay the union executive, hold negotiations in posh hotels and convention centers, send union executives to Vegas and other locals for conferences, pay high priced labour lawyers, set aside some cash for meager strike pay, and most importantly of all establish slush funds to front politicians who do their bidding in municipal, state, and federal government. It's why unions are so out of favour these days.
    You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!
    Except thats not true, rather they defend incompetent or dangerous employees and union plants are the ONLY ones closing down.

    Theres a reason unions are on the decline.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Except thats not true, rather they defend incompetent or dangerous employees and union plants are the ONLY ones closing down.

    Theres a reason unions are on the decline.
    Why do you think conservatives like the Kochs and Norquist want to weaken unions and spend tons of money doing it? They don't want labors voice competing against their own when it comes to policy. It's quite simple.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Your information is very dishonest. We are not talking about union heads for wealthy athletes and stars, the subject is UAW. According to Publicintegrity.org, The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earn over $200,000 a year. Ronald Gettelfinger, who resigned as UAW president in 2010, was paid $173,065 in salary and benefits. " Saying benefits are around 30% of a persons compensation, his salary isn't unheard of for his position.
    it isn't dishonest at all. why is the head of a labor union getting paid more than the people he represents. more so his wages come at the expense of the people that he is suppose to be fighting for.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!
    except they don't always and their workers might not agree with the people that they are supporting. it has become a huge contention for union dues.
    there is a difference in a union representing their workers to the company and then spending dues on candidates that they members might not support.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why do you think conservatives like the Kochs and Norquist want to weaken unions and spend tons of money doing it? They don't want labors voice competing against their own when it comes to policy. It's quite simple.
    Yeah its conspiracy.

    The fact that unions have been in decline for decades is immaterial, im sure.

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