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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I've been running Firefox since it's inception without an antivirus, just a good quality user controlled firewall and have never gotten a worm, a trojan, or a virus. So you can claim it, but though everyone besides me (that I know) has anti-virus meaning it's not an apples to apples comparison, but I've not known anyone go from Firefox to Chrome or Firefox to IE. Only the other way around. That's just my experience. I have no national or international data to back it up.
    I was talking about the built in security in the browser.. its ability to weed out malware and stop it without having extra protection. IE is best at that, followed by Chrome, then far behind Safari/Firefox and last by Opera.

    Now saying that, no browser is perfect in doing so, so you do need extra protection regardless if you use Windows or Mac. Only OS that is secure for now is Linux, simply because so few "average" people use it and the malware producers cant be assed to make malware for Linux.
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I was talking about the built in security in the browser.. its ability to weed out malware and stop it without having extra protection. IE is best at that, followed by Chrome, then far behind Safari/Firefox and last by Opera.

    Now saying that, no browser is perfect in doing so, so you do need extra protection regardless if you use Windows or Mac. Only OS that is secure for now is Linux, simply because so few "average" people use it and the malware producers cant be assed to make malware for Linux.
    Apparently not or we'd not be reading about IE10 having a massive attack, right? Sorry, I'm not convinced Firefox is as un-safe as you suggest, nor that IE is the safest. I'd put Chrome and Firefox at about the same, however since Chrome is Google, and I don't want google and it's many arms of intrusion allowed when I browse, I use Firefox. I don't trust Google to allow any kind of blocking programs that would block google itself, even if is appeared to be blocked. Just my own thing, not that my browsing is at all interesting, but even with Firefox, there's not hardly any pages I go to that don't have google ads, google syndication, googleapis, and of just plain google. Google is great when I want it, but I don't like it following me around.
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Federal govt uses IE.
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Apparently not or we'd not be reading about IE10 having a massive attack, right? Sorry, I'm not convinced Firefox is as un-safe as you suggest, nor that IE is the safest. I'd put Chrome and Firefox at about the same, however since Chrome is Google, and I don't want google and it's many arms of intrusion allowed when I browse, I use Firefox. I don't trust Google to allow any kind of blocking programs that would block google itself, even if is appeared to be blocked. Just my own thing, not that my browsing is at all interesting, but even with Firefox, there's not hardly any pages I go to that don't have google ads, google syndication, googleapis, and of just plain google. Google is great when I want it, but I don't like it following me around.
    How can you really know if any of those privacy add-ons or do-not-track selections are actually doing anything?

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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Apparently not or we'd not be reading about IE10 having a massive attack, right?
    Supposed massive attack.. but to be frank even a few hundred thousand computers aint massive. In the Mac world yes, but not in the Windows PC world. If they were talking millions or 10s of millions then yes, that would be massive.

    Sorry, I'm not convinced Firefox is as un-safe as you suggest, nor that IE is the safest.
    That is a fact.

    Which browser is safest? The answer may surprise you

    or

    Infosecurity - There is No Single 'Most Secure' Browser

    Over all IE comes out way ahead of Firefox and slightly ahead of Chrome. The part I especially fell over was the ability of IE to stop phissing via social networks.

    But remember everything is relative to the user behind the screen. All browsers have one massive weakness... the user.

    I'd put Chrome and Firefox at about the same, however since Chrome is Google, and I don't want google and it's many arms of intrusion allowed when I browse, I use Firefox. I don't trust Google to allow any kind of blocking programs that would block google itself, even if is appeared to be blocked. Just my own thing, not that my browsing is at all interesting, but even with Firefox, there's not hardly any pages I go to that don't have google ads, google syndication, googleapis, and of just plain google. Google is great when I want it, but I don't like it following me around.
    Dont get me wrong. I use to be a massive Firefox fan, but some years ago Firefox was very heavy resource wise and it pissed me. Then Google came out with Chrome, and I tried it and never looked back. As for being afraid of Google.. /shrug I dont see a problem since chances are you are using google in Firefox.. and if not that then Bing or some other inferior search engine that is just as bad. Even the duck thingy search engine is full of spam, and what not, and hardly lists results well (at least last time I looked).
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How can you really know if any of those privacy add-ons or do-not-track selections are actually doing anything?
    Because from time to time on certain trustworthy sites, I'll allow scripts and turn off the adblocker, then I see all the crap I'm missing. Also even a google search won't work on my browser unless/until I allow google. For DP if I don't have both DP and yahooapis allowed, it works, but not well, with lots of missing details.

    I know my firewall choices, which include the ability to choose which programs are allowed on line and which aren't, seem to work as I've never had a trojan, a virus, or a worm. I get no pop ups, and the only blue screens I've ever gotten were when my laptop drive actually crashed. Like I've said before I know how to monitor and control my machine.

    The other I guess odd thing I do, is that about every 6-12 months, I back up all important data, wipe the computer and reinstall from original discs. Then I reload any programs I use. I do this because I am often testing programs and uninstalls don't always clean things out all the way. So this assures that every so often, I am positive to have wiped any remnants away. It takes about 12 hours from beginning to end, but I'm an insomniac so what else am I going to do?
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Because from time to time on certain trustworthy sites, I'll allow scripts and turn off the adblocker, then I see all the crap I'm missing. Also even a google search won't work on my browser unless/until I allow google. For DP if I don't have both DP and yahooapis allowed, it works, but not well, with lots of missing details.

    I know my firewall choices, which include the ability to choose which programs are allowed on line and which aren't, seem to work as I've never had a trojan, a virus, or a worm. I get no pop ups, and the only blue screens I've ever gotten were when my laptop drive actually crashed. Like I've said before I know how to monitor and control my machine.

    The other I guess odd thing I do, is that about every 6-12 months, I back up all important data, wipe the computer and reinstall from original discs. Then I reload any programs I use. I do this because I am often testing programs and uninstalls don't always clean things out all the way. So this assures that every so often, I am positive to have wiped any remnants away. It takes about 12 hours from beginning to end, but I'm an insomniac so what else am I going to do?
    Save yourself some time and just make an image of your drive after your next reinstall, then you can just go back to it and reinstall updates and copy over data. Your drive won't last forever.
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Supposed massive attack.. but to be frank even a few hundred thousand computers aint massive. In the Mac world yes, but not in the Windows PC world. If they were talking millions or 10s of millions then yes, that would be massive.



    That is a fact.

    Which browser is safest? The answer may surprise you

    or

    Infosecurity - There is No Single 'Most Secure' Browser

    Over all IE comes out way ahead of Firefox and slightly ahead of Chrome. The part I especially fell over was the ability of IE to stop phissing via social networks.

    But remember everything is relative to the user behind the screen. All browsers have one massive weakness... the user.



    Dont get me wrong. I use to be a massive Firefox fan, but some years ago Firefox was very heavy resource wise and it pissed me. Then Google came out with Chrome, and I tried it and never looked back. As for being afraid of Google.. /shrug I dont see a problem since chances are you are using google in Firefox.. and if not that then Bing or some other inferior search engine that is just as bad. Even the duck thingy search engine is full of spam, and what not, and hardly lists results well (at least last time I looked).
    Actually I will agree there, it has become massive and if I wasn't on a reasonably new, very cool laptop that I got factory refurbished for a song (and a new hard drive as it did crash in the 7th month, of course the warranty on a refurbish was 6 months). I've streamed video, recorded tv from a tuner dongle, done 14+MB photo editing, while Skyping with my daughter, and haven't been able to push the cpus past 15%. And I have a terrabyte hard drive, so no shortage there. Were this my last computer, a 10 yo with a AMD dual core and 225gb harddrive, I might be more likely to reconsider the browser. On here I'm fine.

    I don't go to social media sites, so I guess perhaps I'm not worried about them. But again, I'd imagine that all that could be controled through NoScript, though it's way too much hassle I think for most people to really learn to use NoScript.
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    Re: Hackers used previously unknown Internet Explorer flaw in new attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Save yourself some time and just make an image of your drive after your next reinstall, then you can just go back to it and reinstall updates and copy over data. Your drive won't last forever.
    I actually have a program to do that. I might, though by doing things one at a time, I assure that programs that have been unused or replaced in that six months aren't reinstalled simply because they were part of the last reinstall. Well something to think about, thanks.
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