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    Meh, it's stayed...which was entirely predictable based on SCOTUS's recent stance on this. They'll deal with the question in due time and at least get some semblance of a solid oath forward at that point. The opinions of the rest of these lower court judges are largely irrelevant at this point.

    When it actually gets to the SCOTUS I'll start paying attention and see if they go more towards the notion of states defining marriage as being a constitutional thing, or if they invest it fully into the preview of the federal. Till then....meh
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Just more overreach on the part of the Courts. That is the concern that should highlighted not issue of whether gay marriage should be allowed or not.

    Each State should determine what a legal marriage is. It should not be forced on a state by the Courts. There is nothing in the Constitution that would require gay marriage to be made mandatory for the States.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    but what about the victims the people who don't like acknowledging legal same sex marriage they will feel bad

    and they will have to treat these couples like their married because they will be right down to calling them married

    because that's the kind situation their in

    its cruel
    LOL id tell them the same thing that is told to all the people that think thier "feelings" are more important than equal rights


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Meh, it's stayed...which was entirely predictable based on SCOTUS's recent stance on this. They'll deal with the question in due time and at least get some semblance of a solid oath forward at that point. The opinions of the rest of these lower court judges are largely irrelevant at this point.

    When it actually gets to the SCOTUS I'll start paying attention and see if they go more towards the notion of states defining marriage as being a constitutional thing, or if they invest it fully into the preview of the federal. Till then....meh

    Fine, let states take care of it. Then there should be no federal recognition, regulations or laws concerning marriage at all. Further, states would not be required to recognize marriages from other states. If a couple moves, they need to get married again. The best result? Being married would mean NOTHING legally, as states could not afford (time or money) to provide benefits or laws regarding it.

    I support marriage being removed from government entirely. Good plan.

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    I'm not sure what point you think you're making by attempting to sarcastically respond to my post...but my general stance has been for some time that the best option would be to remove marriage entirely from government, and install a "civil union" law at a federal level to handle some specific instances where it's in the state interest to allow any two people to be granted certain privileges under the law.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    I have an exam (well, 4 to be exact), so I'll respond to posts more properly sometime in the coming days. I think many have opposition to homosexual "marriage" because marriage is also largely a social and moral term with states having SSM as essentially a moral endorsement of homosexual relationships. The feds have no business in marriage, it should be up to the states. I would also support a complete removal of "marriage" with only allowing for civil unions/partnerships to be recognized with states being able to regulate them within constitutional parameters as what meets their best interests or even just up to a federal standard with the states not having much say in it.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Human nature is evil

    Just because something appears in nature doesn't mean it should be approved of or used in defense of it being "normal" or "moral" or even "acceptable." As far as biology and sex goes, homosexuality is dysfunctional and "unnatural" in how those sex organs are being used. But that's besides the point.

    I sincerely hope this gets struck down. It is a grave injustice to the voters of VA to have their attorney general refuse to defend state laws and the state constitution in court and also have their ability to uphold traditional marriage, which has been the defacto marriage position for many many years, essentially removed largely due to a progressive judicial opinion and changes in public opinion. I'm happy for the gays in VA that may be able to get married and I support SSM, but not through this type of judicial tyranny and lack of legal representation for those on the other side. Equal rights is not imposing a new definition of marriage upon every state due to new social changes and acceptances of certain sex practices or sexual relationships. Equal rights is respecting the rights of voters who disagree and allowing them to govern as well. The 14th amendment should not extend to sexuality or personal sex choices/relationships unless amended.
    Umm...how do you think the decision in Loving vs Virginia was made? Via the 14th. If it wasn't for the 14th we would still have miscegenation laws. And people do not have a right to deny other people their Rights. That is just mob rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Just more overreach on the part of the Courts. That is the concern that should highlighted not issue of whether gay marriage should be allowed or not.

    Each State should determine what a legal marriage is. It should not be forced on a state by the Courts. There is nothing in the Constitution that would require gay marriage to be made mandatory for the States.
    this seems to cover it

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Morals are not subjective when it comes to death and judgement and absolute right and wrong.
    No morals are subjective in all cases and there is no absolute right and wrong. This was incorrect the last 30 times you posted it and it will be incorrect the next 30.

    When it comes to democracy it is relevant as well with the morals of others having weight when it comes to "subjectivity" or right and wrong for a population.
    Weight does not translate into right and wrong. It translates into weight. There are no absolutes with right or wrong. Right and wrong are transitory, subjective, and relative.

    Show me how dysfunctional and unnatural from a biological standpoint are incorrect. We know biologically that sex organs exist for reproduction. We know that, at least in humans, the penis and vagina are actually optomized to function together and there are significant health risks behind gay sex practices that are not natural for those parts of the body (primarily male on male anal sex).
    Firstly, the health risks have nothing to do with homosexuality. They have to do with risky sexual behavior. This is factual, so please stop posting inaccurate information. Secondly, you are discussing sexual behavior and procreation, two issues that are separate from sexual orientation and marriage, so your issues above are irrelevant to this particular issue.


    And what about oppressing the voters of VA that supported upholding the definition of marriage that was widely held as the default and legal definition for decades? Anyone can claim they are being oppressed, our Constitution, as written, doesn't appear to have specific verbiage extending to sexuality, sex practices as things on par with gender, religion and race. To try and apply it as such is wrong.
    Wrong is an opinion and subjective, so your last sentence is irrelevant. Your first sentence uses the appeal to tradition logical fallacy. Overall, if the decision of the majority is oppressing that of the minority, then reversing that and "oppressing" them is irrelevant.
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