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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    That is true, no legal connections.



    There are methods including the Courts to weed out bad law that might result. If the Courts do rule for SSM I hope that they make an air tight argument based on Constitutional Rights.


    So long as it is not just a "because we say so" ruling.



    We do not want this becoming like the abortion controversy.
    Have you read any of the rulings so far? How many times do I have to tell you to read them?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Well then it stands to reason then... that Benjamin Franklin along with the founding fathers were religious (religious not meaning "christian" but meaning a spiritual belief in a supreme being) and again the poll shows that nearly everyone who is "religious" disagrees with homosexual marriage. So seeing that most if not ALL the founding fathers were religious... they would have not voted for same sex marriage.
    Absolutely true. I doubt that any of the founding fathers would have supported same sex marriage. Then again, most of them were slave owners. They also did not believe in women's rights. The thing is I really don't care much about what the founding fathers thought because we have amended the US Constitution to date because clearly, as they wrote it was not sufficient for what we want as a society today. In fact, we amended the Constitution with the 14 amendment, which includes the Equal Protection Clause, which states...

    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Given that marriage is a law, and we are now talking about equal application of that law within the states, I think that is a better place to begin. I seriously doubt that any of the founding fathers would have supported the 14th amendment. So why do you think the vision of the founding fathers is even relevant to this discussion?

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    you don't have to get upset about me questioning your credibility, i simply saying check before you speak (type?) you said "ALL" when every survey out there in within the (as you said) margin of error. But however since this one is a few percentages in the opposite direction now you bring up the margin of error point. I find that very interesting for a person with a high amount of integrity, go from so sure to margin of error and going for ALL surveys to most. I will definitly say that ALL surverys are within the margin of error as a whole.
    I figured that anyone would understand the margin of error issue when discussing statistics. If someone presents statistics that ignore margin of error, either they are one of the few who didn't know about it, or I would question THEIR integrity.

    Btw... I never said "most", though I will concede that if someone polled all fundamental Christians, the poll would probably NOT show those folks in favor of SSM. Of course that particular poll would have no meaning in this discussion.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I figured that anyone would understand the margin of error issue when discussing statistics. If someone presents statistics that ignore margin of error, either they are one of the few who didn't know about it, or I would question THEIR integrity.

    Btw... I never said "most", though I will concede that if someone polled all fundamental Christians, the poll would probably NOT show those folks in favor of SSM. Of course that particular poll would have no meaning in this discussion.
    Of course, I would question the discussion in the first place. Whether 51% or 49% wants to vote away the rights of a minority group isn't terribly important to me.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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