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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    It doesnt matter what "you see" or what you want to see you have to stick to the facts. It is a fact that the majority of people don't support gay marriage and that isn't an estimation, it is a fact.
    Fox News Poll: 49 Percent Favor Gay Marriage, up from 32 Percent in 2003 | Fox News

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    It doesnt matter what "you see" or what you want to see you have to stick to the facts. It is a fact that the majority of people don't support gay marriage and that isn't an estimation, it is a fact.

    You shouldn't rely on votes that took place a decade ago to gage opinions today. See the link below. Then there is the success of SSCM at the ballot box where it won at the polls in 4 states (Maine, Maryland, Washington, and Minnesota) in the 2012 elections.

    Times change.


    Gay and Lesbian Rights | Gallup Historical Trends



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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    well as people always say we live in a republic so the majority rules and I could see a majority of people saying that if it were deemed unconstitutional that they would be more willing to give up there rights as heterosexual couples then have an unbalanced system.
    Only a tiny minority wants to give up marriage benefits. Far more people support expanding those benefits. Your only argument against same-sex marriage is that some people get married for reasons other than love? That's pathetic. You know it's a pathetic argument, but you made it anyway. This shows just how desperate the social conservatives are.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Yup me as a heterosexual male am willing as YOU said again I repeat YOU SAID. I am willing to give up MY RIGHTS to testify against my spouse, Medical power of attorney so on and so forth so that YOU may be equal I am sacrificing because you argument is I have rights that YOU dont and I AM willing to give up the rights I HAVE to make sure YOU ARE EQUAL.
    Oh how very noble of you. A true hero, right here.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure I agree. It can be stated more narrowly. But objection to a personal choice, which a mate is, and who we live is big in that choice here, has to have more behind it than a group of people don't like it. There has to be a valid reason to oppose it. Goes for anything you can list (such a list is usual used to taint homosexuals).
    However what you just said is a completely different argument than "Same Sex Marriage should be legal because I should have the right to marry the person I love"

    Suggesting "You have to have a valid reason to deny people the ability to be married" is an ENTIRELY different argument.

    But the specific argument that it should be legal because people should be able to marry the person they love is an incredibly poor argument and does provide a LEGITIMATE avenue to suggest that said argument applies to the other forms most often tied to homosexuality in this instance.

    Do I think that often those doing so are using it to taint homosexuals? Absolutely. But by using such a poor argument, and one that LEGITIMATELY allows for such comparisons, then you invite that taint into the discussion.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However what you just said is a completely different argument than "Same Sex Marriage should be legal because I should have the right to marry the person I love"

    Suggesting "You have to have a valid reason to deny people the ability to be married" is an ENTIRELY different argument.

    But the specific argument that it should be legal because people should be able to marry the person they love is an incredibly poor argument and does provide a LEGITIMATE avenue to suggest that said argument applies to the other forms most often tied to homosexuality in this instance.

    Do I think that often those doing so are using it to taint homosexuals? Absolutely. But by using such a poor argument, and one that LEGITIMATELY allows for such comparisons, then you invite that taint into the discussion.
    I think it is part of the same argument. I have the right unless you have a valid reason to deny it.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think it is part of the same argument. I have the right unless you have a valid reason to deny it.
    If you don't make the argument then it's not part of the same argument. It CAN be part of the same argument, but it's not unless that's indicated by the person making said argument.

    "I have a right to marry who I love"

    and

    "I have a right to marry who I love unless you have a constitutionally valid reason to deny it"

    are two DIFFERENT arguments. One has a caveat, one doesn't. One is poor and does allow for people to come back with those other types of marriages, one makes it far more difficult to try and do such.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    It doesnt matter what "you see" or what you want to see you have to stick to the facts. It is a fact that the majority of people don't support gay marriage and that isn't an estimation, it is a fact.
    Actually the facts are that the vast majority of people support marriage, and at least a slight majority of people want same sex couples to be treated equally, aka being allowed to marry legally.

    Marriage | Gallup Historical Trends

    Only complete idiots want to remove the government from marriage altogether and that is only a knee-jerk reaction to being told that denying same sex couples the right to marry is wrong and unconstitutional. If it even made it through, it wouldn't last. The people would realize quickly why the government is required to recognize your marriages when the people start seeing major issues with not being considered legally married by the state. The first time a judge rules in favor of a blood relative over a mate/partner because the state does not recognize the legal relationship established between them and the mother/father, sister/brother has legal precedent when it comes to a legal decision or some sort of money or other property, or the first time an employee is denied time off, particularly by a state agency to go to their mates'/partners' relative's funeral because they no longer fall under the Family Leave Act, they will realize how stupid they were.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If you don't make the argument then it's not part of the same argument. It CAN be part of the same argument, but it's not unless that's indicated by the person making said argument.

    "I have a right to marry who I love"

    and

    "I have a right to marry who I love unless you have a constitutionally valid reason to deny it"

    are two DIFFERENT arguments. One has a caveat, one doesn't. One is poor and does allow for people to come back with those other types of marriages, one makes it far more difficult to try and do such.
    While I think that may be an example of being too technical, I certainly can't disagree.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    the poll provided clearly says that the people in support of gay marriage are Liberals young people as well as nonreligious it says it right in your survey. Also people argue if America was a Christian founded Country... it is obvious that it was a founded as a Christian nation but non the less people will argue it so even if you deny that it is undeniable that is was Religiously founded.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


    Tell me a "NONreligious" group that believes in a creator?

    if there is none which there cant be for obvious reasons then you apply simple logic and say that the founding father were religious and based off of that and knowing even with your numbers that religious people are not Pro homosexual marriage you can also know that our founding fathers would have been on that same boat.
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