also somethign to be clear on and i cant speak for everyone but im going to throw this two cents out there
the question of natural and unnatural is only brought up by anti-gays
and then the pro-equal rights people simply point out the following:
that typically thier subjective definition they are using is factually wrong
the factual definition they are using has a very limited scope or specific narrow usage
and or most importantly natural and unnatural is 100% totally meaningless to equal rights for gays and this topic, its a side discussion that has no actual merit
its complete strawman that has ZERO impact
Morals are not subjective. The morals and laws of God are absolute. In the realm of absolutes, under which all things will be judged, subjectivity is wrong. The very notion that "all morals are subjective" is in itself a defeating statement with such a statement being an absolute statement about morality and a self contradicting logical fallacy in and of itself.Morals are subjective. No one is asking for your personal approval of their relationships. And normal is relative. Acceptance isn't even being asked for.
As far as homosexuality goes, it is natural and in no way "dysfunctional". It works just fine and in no way inhibits a species growth/evolution. And sex organs are used for many purposes. Or have you forgotten that every man's sex organ is also used to dispel waste from the body?
As far as homosexuality goes I have no problem with people that chose to be homosexual. I support their right for legal recognition and have no problem with them or want to impede on their ability to live their lives. My issue comes in with states and the voting rights of others being nullified unfairly and without due representation.
The dispelling of waste serves a dual function... The act of urination is not sex, that's dishonest to imply as such. Fact of the matter is that evolutionary changes in the penis and vagina evolved to be compatible with each other with intricate physiology to make them as such. The act of sex, biologically speaking, primarily (and sometimes solely) exists to repopulate the species. Species that cannot due so are sexually dysfunctional in that they can't reproduce. Does that dysfunction make them less of a living being? No, but it does mean that their organs and physiology are not able to go towards their intended use or are not able to do so.
Equal rights has been about the rights of others to vote as equals. People voted on the definition of marriage, one side lost. The fact of the matter is that voters do have rights, and up until just a few years ago amid social changes and judicial activism the default and widely held lawful definition of marriage was one man one woman. I don't think any rational person would say 20 years ago, with the Constitution as written, that we would be seeing rulings like this. Heck, maybe even 5 years ago before SSM became this massive issue in the US. The majority has protection, and with laws that are Constitutional the majority is allowed to set policy per democracy.Equal rights has never been about "respecting the right of voters", ever. In fact that is the complete opposite purpose of the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause.
Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. -Socrates
they might not be PERSONALLY subjective but they are factually subjective in reality and have no meaning with equal rights
how does one choose to have a homosexual orientation?
you say you support gays but your posts scream something else
states and voting rights are intact
again subjective or factual natural vs unnatural is meaningless to equal rights
2. The will of the people is the US Constitution, not a majority vote of any particular state.
3. What makes us equal is equal protection under the laws and constitutional protection of our individual liberties.
4. Marriage is a law and under precedent, a fundamental civil right, and in our country, civil rights should not subject to majority votes.
"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.
and they will have to treat these couples like their married because they will be right down to calling them married
because that's the kind situation their in