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    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    your statement is exactly why I would take away benefits, people marry now days for the strict financial benefits. In a free society people should not be dependent on the government.
    Other than social security, and possibly tax benefits there are not a whole lot of financial benefits of marriage. There are tons of legal protections though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The funny thing is that some couple tried this (and in fact got away with it for years) up in Washington. The woman claimed she was a single mother renting part of a house (a rather large house) from this man (who was claimed to be just her landlord and nothing more) in Washington state. The state paid her rent and some utilities plus she got extras. The state eventually found out that she was in fact married to the man she was "renting" from and that they had defrauded the government out of millions (that I believe they have to pay back, I know they got into major trouble for it). Such a scam though would easily work if the couple simply doesn't get married. They could even set up private contracts to cover some of the stuff done through marriage.
    The thing is, those contracts are bunk. I have a medical POA, and was still denied entrance into my fiancees room during a visit to the ER. I have seen wills overturned by family members that didn't approve of a couple, family members that had not been a part of their lives for over a decade.
    I have spent thousands of dollars to attorneys to try to protect myself and my family as best I can, but I also know that those contracts can be overturned by a judge.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    The thing is, those contracts are bunk. I have a medical POA, and was still denied entrance into my fiancees room during a visit to the ER. I have seen wills overturned by family members that didn't approve of a couple, family members that had not been a part of their lives for over a decade.
    I have spent thousands of dollars to attorneys to try to protect myself and my family as best I can, but I also know that those contracts can be overturned by a judge.
    Oh I agree if you want the legitimate marriage thing and that is your reason for wanting to get married. But if a couple is more interested in not getting caught defrauding the government, then...
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    you open the door for allowing people to marry there best friend for the benefits not for actually being gay homo sexuality is such a minority... that for the benefits that would come to homosexuals is out weighed by the negatives, so I stick to my above noted compromise to create equality.
    If there are negatives with homosexuals, there are also negatives with heterosexuals. One group is not likely any more inclined to abuse than the other.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't think there is a problem with rational basis covering it because there simply isn't a rational reason that restrictions on marriage based on sex/gender further any state interest at all, anywhere.
    It is true that no such rational reason exists, but having different standards for one type of marriage than for the other reinforces a separation that really oughtn't to be there.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Every argument has to have a principle to it so my question is this... Allowing gay marriage benefits gays in what way?
    The benefit is that we are seen as equal. We will have the same rights to marry the person we love. When you stand on the majority side it is easy for them many to look down their noses at the minority.
    I think the proposal in Oklahoma is awesome. They will ban all marriage. Then the majority will find out what it's like. I think it would serve them all right. Equal is the benefit.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    The "person I love" argument is an extremely poor ones, me is the case with most emotional based political arguments. It's one of the only arguments that actually legitimately can be said applies equally to polygamy, incest, and under-age marriage.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The "person I love" argument is an extremely poor ones, me is the case with most emotional based political arguments. It's one of the only arguments that actually legitimately can be said applies equally to polygamy, incest, and under-age marriage.
    Not sure I agree. It can be stated more narrowly. But objection to a personal choice, which a mate is, and who we live is big in that choice here, has to have more behind it than a group of people don't like it. There has to be a valid reason to oppose it. Goes for anything you can list (such a list is usual used to taint homosexuals).

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Everything being said is debating what is more beneficial. the simple logical fact is you cant have reduced taxes and more government handouts and at the same time also have more taxes for the government and less government spending. So I will just again say the compromise would be taking away any benefits that heterosexuals have in order to provide equality. it may not be what you want to create equality but is something that I am wiling to compromise on to make sure homosexuals are equal.
    All tax cuts are bad, you heard it here.

    Also, Texashonor wants spouses to be compelled to testify against each other, wants to eliminate automatic child custody/inheritance, wants to eliminate automatic medical power of attorney... on and on.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    All tax cuts are bad, you heard it here.

    Also, Texashonor wants spouses to be compelled to testify against each other, wants to eliminate automatic child custody/inheritance, wants to eliminate automatic medical power of attorney... on and on.
    Yup me as a heterosexual male am willing as YOU said again I repeat YOU SAID. I am willing to give up MY RIGHTS to testify against my spouse, Medical power of attorney so on and so forth so that YOU may be equal I am sacrificing because you argument is I have rights that YOU dont and I AM willing to give up the rights I HAVE to make sure YOU ARE EQUAL.

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