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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
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    there are not as many Pros as there are Cons simple fact and the second argument goes to if you agree with Gays then how can you make Polygamy illegal. as long as things are consensual then why have them illegal?
    You need to identify those Cons. Tell me what specific harm is actually caused to anyone.

    Second, if no harm can be identified for polygamy then you are absolutely right, it should be legal. Consensual adults should be able to enter legal contracts with each other. I morally disapprove of polygamy, but that disapproval is not grounds alone to make it illegal. If my moral disapproval were enough, Justin Bieber concerts would be illegal.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Well Politics is all about Compromise and tho you are saying that a gay person should have "equality" and gays try to stretch that into something as if they drink at a different water fountain or go to different schools. The simple fact and premise or this debate is that Gays want Federal and state financial benefits of being married. So equality meaning equal I would be more willing to remove all benefits that Heterosexual couples receive from the government then opening the door to allow anyone to abuse the system. Thus creating a equal state of being and also helping our financial state as Americans, due to our current debt.

    Doing this would help our economic crisis we have in america as well as creating and absolute state of "equality" that you speak of.
    This is just ridiculous. We have studies that show that the country benefits financially from marriages, all 2 person marriages (can't really determine anything about more than 2 people for this country and economic impact). In fact, they did an analysis on this years ago and determined that legalizing same sex marriage would increase tax revenue slightly.

    Why Marriage Equality Is Good For The Economy And The Budget
    8 Ways Legalizing Same Sex Marriage Is Good For The Economy
    Economic Impact of Same-Sex Marriage
    Same-sex marriage ruling: Financial impact - Jun. 26, 2013

    Most of the benefits are completely personal and cost no one else.

    The same argument you are (wrongfully) trying to make here could have been used back in 1968 against legalizing interracial marriages.

    But to answer your last question, it in no way harms the "economic crisis" and in fact just slightly benefits it with no provable harm. In fact, I doubt you could find a single reputable source out there that would tell you that same sex marriage would be anything but good for our economy, even if it is just a little bit.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Because it is true we can sit here and debate it all you want that's why i'm here, you can argue anything such as why cant we marry animals or why cant we have concubines... everything under the sun can be can be justifiable but again is comes to principle why do gay want to be "married" you have brought up a few things that we have broken down and seen no advantage or a separate route that can be taken to obtain the same thing in a manner that is as easy or easier then being married.
    Why do heterosexuals want to be married? If we allow heterosexual marriage we have to allow child marriage.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How would homosexuals abuse it any more than heterosexuals?
    you open the door for allowing people to marry there best friend for the benefits not for actually being gay homo sexuality is such a minority... that for the benefits that would come to homosexuals is out weighed by the negatives, so I stick to my above noted compromise to create equality.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Well Politics is all about Compromise and tho you are saying that a gay person should have "equality" and gays try to stretch that into something as if they drink at a different water fountain or go to different schools. The simple fact and premise or this debate is that Gays want Federal and state financial benefits of being married. So equality meaning equal I would be more willing to remove all benefits that Heterosexual couples receive from the government then opening the door to allow anyone to abuse the system. Thus creating a equal state of being and also helping our financial state as Americans, due to our current debt.

    Doing this would help our economic crisis we have in america as well as creating and absolute state of "equality" that you speak of.
    Holy **** literally being so mad that gay people might get tax benefits that he wants to get rid of them for everyone. Now that's s a grade-A childish hissy fit right there.

    Face it: you never once gave a crap about people "abusing" the benefits of marriage until gay people started to get those benefits.

    You still have not named a single bit of harm caused by two dudes getting married.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    See, I don't think after the Zablocki (I think it was this one) decision that they could rule it under strict scrutiny. Intermediate scrutiny sure, since the restriction is sex-based that means it should fall under intermediate scrutiny. But the SCOTUS even said that the Appeals Court in Zablocki got the decision wrong for striking it down under strict scrutiny but that the law itself didn't even meet the rational basis test anyway.
    It's an interesting idea, but Zablocki is pretty tangential to marriage cases, as opposed to Loving and Griswold, which protected marriage and marital privacy with strict scrutiny, and Lawrence, which eschews the more common forms of scrutiny, but most resembles strict.

    Either way, I think the big thing that will be necessary to really protect SSM is for it to be afforded the same level of constitutional protections that heterosexual marriage enjoys. Rational basis simply won't cut it, and I think that will be the real moment when the debate comes to an end.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    you open the door for allowing people to marry there best friend for the benefits not for actually being gay homo sexuality is such a minority... that for the benefits that would come to homosexuals is out weighed by the negatives, so I stick to my above noted compromise to create equality.
    Heteros do that now. I guess no more marriage for anyone.

    You do know that movie was a comedy, right?

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    you open the door for allowing people to marry there best friend for the benefits not for actually being gay homo sexuality is such a minority... that for the benefits that would come to homosexuals is out weighed by the negatives, so I stick to my above noted compromise to create equality.
    Only a minority of people own assault rifles, so that should be illegal.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Everything being said is debating what is more beneficial. the simple logical fact is you cant have reduced taxes and more government handouts and at the same time also have more taxes for the government and less government spending. So I will just again say the compromise would be taking away any benefits that heterosexuals have in order to provide equality. it may not be what you want to create equality but is something that I am wiling to compromise on to make sure homosexuals are equal.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    you open the door for allowing people to marry there best friend for the benefits not for actually being gay homo sexuality is such a minority... that for the benefits that would come to homosexuals is out weighed by the negatives, so I stick to my above noted compromise to create equality.
    That door is already completely open (and legal even) now by just allowing opposite sex couples to marry. Or are you going to claim that no one ever gets married now just for some benefits? We have movies where that is the very premise of the movie (of course normally the guy or gal ends up finding their love but still). The only difference is that I can have my pick of my guy friends to marry to get those benefits whereas I can't marry my best friend just because she is a woman. I love her much more than I do any guys I consider friends but I'm willing to bet some would marry me (if I weren't already married) just to get some of these "benefits" that you are claiming.

    BTW, there are very few monetary benefits to marriage in comparison to the legal benefits of marriage, which really only matter to most people when they actually care for that person.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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