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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    It doesn't help that there are religious connections to marriage either. As I said earlier I think that same sex marriage will become a standard. My concern is that Judges with an ideological bent will use spurious reasoning on forcing adaptation by States taht are not now willing to accept them.
    their are no legal religious connections to marriage In this nation though

    and its the moves to ban same sex marriage that have the problem with spurious reasoning

    that combined with the discrimination and lack of equal protection under the law justifies forcing those states to allow them

    they can grumble about it all they like after

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Every argument has to have a principle to it so my question is this... Allowing gay marriage benefits gays in what way?

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    Every argument has to have a principle to it so my question is this... Allowing gay marriage benefits gays in what way?
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    filing single
    10% on taxable income from $0 to $9,075, plus
    15% on taxable income over $9,075 to $36,900, plus
    25% on taxable income over $36,900 to $89,350, plus
    28% on taxable income over $89,350 to $186,350, plus
    33% on taxable income over $186,350 to $405,100, plus
    35% on taxable income over $405,100 to $406,750, plus
    39.6% on taxable income over $406,750.

    filing married
    10% on taxable income from $0 to $18,150, plus
    15% on taxable income over $18,150 to $73,800, plus
    25% on taxable income over $73,800 to $148,850, plus
    28% on taxable income over $148,850 to $226,850, plus
    33% on taxable income over $226,850 to $405,100, plus
    35% on taxable income over $405,100 to $457,600, plus
    39.6% on taxable income over $457,600.

    in the tax system you get penalized for being married 2 single people could file 406,749 x 2 people = $813,498 before they reached the top tax bracket where as it is only $457,600 when you file together so there is a disadvantage. The numbers at the bottom of the tax bracket are simply multiplied. 9,075 x 2 = $18,150. So the bottom of the tax bracket doesn't benefit at all and at the top of the tax bracket are at a disadvantage. We can argue any one point but this one is an obvious one chose 1 of your bullets and ill tell you why it isn't a benefit.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Medical Benefits
    •Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
    •Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

    can start their I guess

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The problem is not what the government "establishment" cares about but what certain religious people are concerned about when the concept of same sex marriage is brought to the fore. What concerns me is that the Courts must make a ruling based on an appropriate legal metaphysical basis and not one based on a political contemporary ideology.
    The rulings are being made on an appropriate legal basis. I've told you this half a dozen times now. You should read them.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    •Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.

    first one is a hospital rule not a Federal law and not all hospitals adhere to those rules that is an assumption not a fact.

    •Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

    Just as you can assign someone other then your spouse to make medical decisions for you so can you also have a legal document that gives someone the ability to make medical decisions if you are incapable of doing so yourself. So marriage is not needed to be allowed to make these decisions.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    Every argument has to have a principle to it so my question is this... Allowing gay marriage benefits gays in what way?
    Here's a better principle:

    In America, the burden is on the state to justify why my choice should be illegal. The burden is not on me to justify why it should be legal.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Texashonor View Post
    •Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.

    first one is a hospital rule not a Federal law and not all hospitals adhere to those rules that is an assumption not a fact.

    •Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

    Just as you can assign someone other then your spouse to make medical decisions for you so can you also have a legal document that gives someone the ability to make medical decisions if you are incapable of doing so yourself. So marriage is not needed to be allowed to make these decisions.
    The vast majority of hospitals use these rules and it's actually a matter of law in most states.

    Marriage is technically the only way to do this but it's the fastest and easiest. Tell heterosexual couples they have to hire a lawyer before they get to make those decisions, see how they react.

    Why are you trying to poke holes in the benefits of marriage? They clearly exist, and are clearly being denies to homosexual couples. Does it matter that some of them might not be large benefits in every case?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    @ Deuce

    there are not as many Pros as there are Cons simple fact and the second argument goes to if you agree with Gays then how can you make Polygamy illegal. as long as things are consensual then why have them illegal?

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