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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    The 1950s was ****ed up. Your childhood memories seem nicer because you were a child at the time. You weren't aware of how ****ed up things were because children don't know these things.
    I do not think they were, but again that is a matter of opinion. Life was simpler in those days. I will not say easier, just simpler.
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    I do not think they were, but again that is a matter of opinion. Life was simpler in those days. I will not say easier, just simpler.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    how it a question individuals are forbidden to make a contract and receive rights based on gender where the contract and rights have nothing to do with gender
    It doesn't help that there are religious connections to marriage either. As I said earlier I think that same sex marriage will become a standard. My concern is that Judges with an ideological bent will use spurious reasoning on forcing adaptation by States taht are not now willing to accept them.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    It doesn't help that there are religious connections to marriage either.
    2.)As I said earlier I think that same sex marriage will become a standard.
    3.)My concern is that Judges with an ideological bent will use spurious reasoning on forcing adaptation by States taht are not now willing to accept them.
    1.) thats meaningless, theres religious ties to lots for things. Religious marriage has nothing to do with legal marriage. Not saying you just saying in general anybody clinging to that is extremely misguided.
    2.) i agree i give it 5 years max before equal rights for gays is national
    3.) youll have to explain this more as i dont know what specifically your fear is

    what ideological bend of a judge are you concerned about
    what spurious reasoning are you concerned about
    what will be "forced" on the states that you you are concerned about
    what are the states now not willing to accept
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    the ideological grounds are we should go this way because its what give are citizens equal protection under the law
    The problem is that is an ideological idea there must be protected groups of people instead of actual equality under the law. The idea of equal protection under the law is both an idea under common law and the Constitution. The problem when we decide to think in groups of people instead of individual rights we somehow discover Rights that somehow suddenly apply when there is enough awareness or need in such situations as in same sex marriage. With to marriage specifically, people who married did marry for reasons which do not longer apply anymore like to bring different families into an alliance or for old age insurance by having childern or to develop a form of society among others.

    and that it increases liberty and fairness and are defense from the whims of others with out doing nay one any harm.
    My main concern if protecting Liberty from actions by the State. At best the State is a protector of Liberty against actions by individuals or groups of people. It doesn't work so well when the State is the violator of Liberty. If the Courts are going to restrict the Powers of the State on limiting restrictions on marriage then I can only hope that is what they are doing and not just engaging in assigning special protections to groups of people.

    the people who oppose gay marriage are more likely to bring up time often in an appeal to tradition
    This is true. And as a society we have to develop to a point where we can accept such even though we might be opposed on some religious level. I believe that within a decade we will arrive at such a point that all but the most reactionary will accept the existence though they will not support it.

    so im still not sure what kind of abuse your worried about
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    see what I amen about bringing up time as if it was relevant coupled with an appeal to tradition
    The problem is that laws exist and are made in a particular point of time with unspoken assumptions and those assumptions might not even be thought of as assumptions such as marriage involving two people who have different genders.

    Furthermore when it comes to Law the appeal to tradition is NOT a fallacy. If anything Law is tradition codified. If you want an appeal then I could just as well have and appeal to a new ideal,
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    It doesn't help that there are religious connections to marriage either. As I said earlier I think that same sex marriage will become a standard. My concern is that Judges with an ideological bent will use spurious reasoning on forcing adaptation by States taht are not now willing to accept them.
    Well, you can stop worrying. The reasoning is not spurious. It is well-grounded in constitutional law.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The problem is that laws exist and are made in a particular point of time with unspoken assumptions and those assumptions might not even be thought of as assumptions such as marriage involving two people who have different genders.

    Furthermore when it comes to Law the appeal to tradition is NOT a fallacy. If anything Law is tradition codified. If you want an appeal then I could just as well have and appeal to a new ideal,
    Yes, appeal to tradition is a fallacy. "This is how we did it before" is not a reason in itself to continue doing it.
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    Yes, appeal to tradition is a fallacy. "This is how we did it before" is not a reason in itself to continue doing it.
    correct even the last two judges to rule on this mentioned this, they mentioned how tradition is important but NOT when it trumps individual rights

    both those judges made spectacular rulings and they were a breathe of fresh air
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