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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The very fact that people bother to go to the government to get marriage licenses means that they are wanted, and welcome. Or are you unaware that you will not be arrested for getting married without the license as long as you don't claim your "spouse" on legal documents?
    LOL...people go to the government for a marriage license, because they have to. Without one, you can't be legally married.

    You want the government regulating marriage? Well, you can reap what you sow.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    It's a source showing that there were ancient societies that treated women as equals.
    It did not prove such a thing.

    Now, personally I believe, from what I've read, that women in that ancient culture were treated much more equal to men than in any other culture I've heard of up til now. However, there is also a lot of evidence that they had no issue with same sex marriages either, possibly very much related to the fact that they didn't see women as property in the way that those cultures that rose up from Abrahamic roots did.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    LOL...people go to the government for a marriage license, because they have to. Without one, you can't be legally married.

    You want the government regulating marriage? Well, you can reap what you sow.
    No. They go because they want to. A marriage license is the cheapest and easiest way to set up many contracts with one simple one. It costs less than $100 to name a single person as your spouse, having many legal rights that would require much more legal paperwork to obtain otherwise, and some that you can't really get without something akin to adoption coming into play.

    It is not illegal to say someone you are technically not legally married to is your lifelong spouse, mate. It is only illegal to do this when you are attempting to get something from the government for this relationship.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    LOL...people go to the government for a marriage license, because they have to. Without one, you can't be legally married.

    You want the government regulating marriage? Well, you can reap what you sow.
    It is our system. And it allows benefits to be attached. Again, our system. Changing it because you (universal you) just don't want gays treated equal is kind of an asshole move.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is our system. And it allows benefits to be attached. Again, our system. Changing it because you (universal you) just don't want gays treated equal is kind of an asshole move.
    That makes zero sense.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That makes zero sense.
    I can type slower if it helps.

    There's no movement to take the government out of marriage absent the extending the rights to include homosexuals. Now piece it together.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I can type slower if it helps.

    There's no movement to take the government out of marriage absent the extending the rights to include homosexuals. Now piece it together.
    If it wasn't for over-reaching government, those rights would already exist for gays.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it wasn't for over-reaching government, those rights would already exist for gays.
    No they wouldn't. Nothing would keep someone from refusing to recognize a person as another's spouse at all if not for the government having certain laws surrounding marriage and recognition of spouses via the government. No protections at all would exist for spouses in fact.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it wasn't for over-reaching government, those rights would already exist for gays.

    Backed by those who oppose equal rights. Government isn't something separate from the people. It largely reflects our prejudices.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Backed by those who oppose equal rights. Government isn't something separate from the people. It largely reflects our prejudices.
    A friend of mine said government is used to manage people where they fail or can't manage themselves.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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