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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    In addition, from Arizona, I don't know if there are others with similar requirements:
    " Notwithstanding subsection A, first cousins may marry if both are sixty-five years of age or older or if one or both first cousins are under sixty-five years of age, upon approval of any superior court judge in the state if proof has been presented to the judge that one of the cousins is unable to reproduce. "


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    This actually leans in my direction: not only is procreation not a marriage requirement, sometimes it's prohibited.

    Not sure such a provision is constitutionally justified, though. I am super skeptical of the government deciding that a particular person "shouldn't" have children.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Marriage is an example of government intrusion, i.e. government banning gay marriage is example of too much government intrusion in our private lives. You know damn well what I meant. You're just being argumentative.
    Only government intrusion that is asked for in order to make the process easier and more efficient for recognizing the legal relationship of the couple. Legal kinship. If marriage is government intrusion then so are birth certificates and adoption papers and any form of domestic partnership arrangement the government sets up.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Only government intrusion that is asked for in order to make the process easier and more efficient for recognizing the legal relationship of the couple. Legal kinship. If marriage is government intrusion then so are birth certificates and adoption papers and any form of domestic partnership arrangement the government sets up.
    It wouldn't be illegal, if not for the government making it illegal.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Government is being unfair, by being intrusive.

    Even when someone agrees with your passions, you still want to argue with them. Libbos!
    No. They are being unfair by being restrictive, not intrusive.

    Being intrusive means that the invasion is unwelcome or annoying in some way. Since people want to get married and request for their marriages to be recognized by the government, then legal marriage cannot be intrusive.

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    adjective \in-ˈtrü-siv, -ziv\

    : annoying someone by interfering with their privacy : intruding where you are not wanted or welcome
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. They are being unfair by being restrictive, not intrusive.

    Being intrusive means that the invasion is unwelcome or annoying in some way. Since people want to get married and request for their marriages to be recognized by the government, then legal marriage cannot be intrusive.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a part of history and you are going to reject any source I give. Show a reliable source that says that interracial couples were treated the same as same race couples in the US prior to Loving. I dare you. Or better yet, show me a reliable source that shows that women had the same rights within a marriage in pretty much any of those civilizations I named, or even our own up til about a half century or less ago.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It wouldn't be illegal, if not for the government making it illegal.

    Just WOW!
    It isn't illegal to marry a person of the same sex. It is illegal to claim them as a legal spouse. That is simply unfair, not intrusive. In fact, it would basically be the opposite of intrusive since applying for a legal marriage means inviting, wanting the government to recognize your marriage.

    If you have a better plan for how the government is supposed to keep track of legal spousal arrangements and give people what they want (legal benefits connected to legal kinship, such as being a spouse), go for it and show us. People are actually requesting the government to recognize their marriages as legal.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right!
    The very fact that people bother to go to the government to get marriage licenses means that they are wanted, and welcome. Or are you unaware that you will not be arrested for getting married without the license as long as you don't claim your "spouse" on legal documents?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    And what exactly is this supposed to prove? It in no way proves anything whatsoever that I asked for. It talked about genetic markers, nothing about marriage or how various married couples, relationships were treated.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And what exactly is this supposed to prove? It in no way proves anything whatsoever that I asked for.
    It's a source showing that there were ancient societies that treated women as equals.

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