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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I love how well she puts it too.



    She didn't beat around the bush at all about it. In simple terms, she told the proponents of the law that their reasoning holds no water in the law and has nothing whatsoever to do with marriage. Tradition is not valid. Enforcing the will of the people is not valid when it comes to a constitutional challenge. And the claim of "responsible procreation" is not valid (since without some major restrictions upon opposite sex marriages, marriage laws have nothing to do with procreation and limiting same sex couples from marriage in no way harms responsible procreation).
    Wow. She really nailed it.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I love how well she puts it too.



    She didn't beat around the bush at all about it. In simple terms, she told the proponents of the law that their reasoning holds no water in the law and has nothing whatsoever to do with marriage. Tradition is not valid. Enforcing the will of the people is not valid when it comes to a constitutional challenge. And the claim of "responsible procreation" is not valid (since without some major restrictions upon opposite sex marriages, marriage laws have nothing to do with procreation and limiting same sex couples from marriage in no way harms responsible procreation).
    exactly it was beautiful, the judge in Kentucky said a similar statement about the total bull**** excuse of tradition


    Protecting tradition, Heyburn wrote, no matter how ancient or deeply held, was not good enough of defense for laws that create different rules for different groups of people.
    "For years, many states had a tradition of segregation and even articulated reasons why it created a better, more stable society," Heyburn wrote, in what may likely become one of the most frequently-quoted passages of his decision. "Similarly, many states deprived women of their equal rights under the law, believing this to properly preserve our traditions.

    "In time, even the most strident supporters of these views understood that they could not enforce their particular moral views to the detriment of another's constitutional rights. Here as well, sometime in the not too distant future, the same understanding will come to pass."


    It hard to believe that people don't understand this basic common sense
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

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    I think you are in the wrong thread
    I see you edited your post.

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    You don't know what unnatural means, but if you had any sense you would already know that.
    Yep, everyone was defining it wrong for centuries before the liberals showed up and figured out what the word actually meant (without actually defining what it was, but only what it supposedly wasn't).

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Yep, everyone was defining it wrong for centuries before the liberals showed up and figured out what the word actually meant (without actually defining what it was, but only what it supposedly wasn't).
    Actually it has always been defined correctly, but now conservatives have tried to alter the definition in order to fit with their bigoted agenda. Fortunately, the dictionary, something that they may not have read, proves them wrong.

    Btw... I noticed you removed my quote from your signature. I liked having it there. It humiliated you with every post you made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Before we can go anywhere with this, you need to define natural. Be very careful with this, because many rights involve things which do not occur in nature. Good luck, have fun.
    In accordance with the nature of a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Marriages themselves are unnatural, particularly legal marriages. People invented marriage, not nature. Mating is natural (various forms of mating), marriage is not.

    There is nothing wrong with something being unnatural.
    Are you saying that human nature mandates promiscuity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Pretty sure that Agent J just mis-typed on that, particularly since the article...which he quoted...say's the 14th...which he also quoted, and put in nice bright red...something that is very hard to miss for most people.

    And how is it stupid for them to uphold peoples right to get married? We have a long history of judges affirming that getting married is a right so its not like it sets any new precedent.
    It is certainly new to say that gay marriage is even a thing, much less a right.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Might as well post the equal rights tracker here also to help us keep track.
    I also try to keep all updates here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...g-soon-72.html
    and ask people to help because its going so quick.


    2/13/14 Version 5.0

    21 States with Equal Rights (3 in stay)

    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    FALL OF DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013
    New Mexico – December 19, 2013
    Utah – December 20. 2013 Currently Stayed and wiil be ruled on with OK)
    Oklahoma - Currently Stayed and wiil be ruled on with UT)
    GSK v. Abbott Laboratories - Janurary 21, 2014 (could be huge in gay rights, discrimination/heightened scrutiny)
    Kentucky - Feburary 2/14/14 (Must recognize out-of-state marriages) which will lead to their ban being defeated
    Virgina - Feburary 2/14/14 (stayed)

    Illinois - June 1, 2014 effective

    18 States Working Towards Equal Rights

    11 States with Pending Court Cases to Establish Equal Rights
    Alaska (Suit to be filed this month)
    Idaho
    Louisiana
    Michigan (Feb 2014 Trial)
    Mississippi
    North Carolina
    Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
    South Carolina
    Tennessee (Direct US Constitution Challenge)
    Texas (Jan 2014 Trial, Direct US Constitution Challenge)
    West Virginia

    4 States with Court Case(s) and Legislation to establish Equal Rights
    Arizona
    Arkansas (Decesion Pending and 2016 ballot)
    Nevada
    Ohio (December 2013 trial) Trial had narrow ruling that ohio will recognize OTHER state marriages but didn’t impact bans. New cases expected.

    3 States with Legislation to Establish Equal Rights
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon

    thats 39 states that could have equal rights by 2016 and some much sooner!

    Also 3 State Attorney Generals no longer defending the constitutionality of bans, joining the case against them or reviewing their constitutionality
    Pennsylvania
    Virginia
    Nevada
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually it has always been defined correctly, but now conservatives have tried to alter the definition in order to fit with their bigoted agenda. Fortunately, the dictionary, something that they may not have read, proves them wrong.

    Btw... I noticed you removed my quote from your signature. I liked having it there. It humiliated you with every post you made.
    What sources before the last two hundred years consider sodomy as natural?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Are you saying that human nature mandates promiscuity?
    I'm saying that our sexual relationships are not what make our marriages. And the marriages we are discussing are legal contracts. No legal contracts are natural. Do you see animals making legal contracts with each other? Do we need a legal contract of marriage to have sex? To have children? Do we need to be in a marriage to love someone? Do marriages automatically make people monogamous by nature?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What sources before the last two hundred years consider sodomy as natural?
    You are NOW using the word natural as an opinion. Sodomy has always been natural as it occurs in nature. Your, or anyone elses opinion on that is irrelevant to the fact of the definition.

    You are also making the error of the appeal to tradition logical fallacy.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What sources before the last two hundred years consider sodomy as natural?
    Any. Sodomy is part of nature, found in nature, in many species. It is completely natural. Just because you disapprove of something doesn't mean it isn't natural.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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