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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the SCOTUS put stays on actions in Utah (and now Virginia) where the laws were over turned, thus disallowing them from actively ALLOWING same sex marriages?

    If my understanding of that is correct, I can't see SCOTUS punting. To me that says they very much plan to take up this issue and rather than having lower courts create a jumbled mess of situations as people try to fight the change/enforce the change they are simply saying "Stay with the status quo until we deal with this".


    I don't see how they could do that, and then just sit on it and not take action.

    Unless my understanding of the stays in places like Utah are off base, I have to imagine within the next year the SCOTUS will come down with a ruling on one of these cases that either clearly asserts that 1) same sex marriage is constitutionally protected under the US Constitution, so states can't deem otherwise OR 2) Same sex marriage is not constitutionally protected under the US Constitution, so states can deme otherwise. I don't really see a third way to really go there.
    The judge herself who made the ruling in Virginia put the stay in place until the appeals court rules(cite: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional | NBC4 Washington). Utah's stay did come from SCOTUS, but was until the Appeals court rules in the case(cite: http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/c...614zr_2co3.pdf). So until the appeals court rules in each case, SCOTUS will not look at it.


    And I agere there to a point. The problem is that both sides are grabbing Windsor and using it as a means of suggesting that the SCOTUS either are saying state laws ARE unconstitutional or saying that they aren't. I think they tried to go for a middle way (The federal government has to recognize it, but states can determine their own) and both sides basically said "NO DICE!" and the only real resolution is an either/or decision.
    Neither Windsor nor Hollingsworth ruled on the merits of SSM bans. While both for minor victories for SSM proponents, the preponderance of cases all with the same outcome on the merits of SSM are actually much more important. Judges are seemingly almost unanimous in that SSM bans fail even Rational Basis Review. This makes it more and more unlikely that SCOTUS will overrule them.

    However, with 4 justices going to be retiring most likely soon(Scalia, Kennedy, Ginsberg and Breyer...expect Ginsberg at the very least to retire while Obama is still president) the makeup of the court could very well change in the near future and that would leave things very interesting.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What about people who want to marry children? Why should pedophiles be treated as second class Citizens? Why do want pedophiles to die while on hold with 911?
    Lamest attempt at an arguement was never created when they came out with this. Getting married requires informed consent. Children are not old enough to make informed consent to anything, much less marriage.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lamest attempt at an arguement was never created when they came out with this. Getting married requires informed consent. Children are not old enough to make informed consent to anything, much less marriage.
    The marriageable age is based on existing legal tradition. A group like NAMBLA could argue that "it's been done this way" isn't a valid argument.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    As a former Virginian, this is awesome. It's like watching domino's fall

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How many of us were actually thinking about politics twenty-five years ago?
    Considering I was arguing this subject in high school about 18 years ago, I'm willing to bet many were. In fact, DOMA was passed through Congress 20 years ago. Plenty of people on here who are older than I am.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    I found this funny.

    Section 15 of the Virginia constitution
    That no free government, nor the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles; and by the recognition by all citizens that they have duties as well as rights, and that such rights cannot be enjoyed save in a society where law is respected and due process is observed.
    Section 15A
    That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.
    Constitution of Virginia

    So "a firm adherence to justice" except for those icky gays.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    This is why the SCOTUS runs this nation..

    These assclowns can interpret the law any way they see fit and they do so with a political agenda in mind. These aren't Supreme Court Justices - they're nothing more than politicians in robes.

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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The marriageable age is based on existing legal tradition. A group like NAMBLA could argue that "it's been done this way" isn't a valid argument.
    Actually it is based on the fact children are, well, children and not emotionally or intellectually able to enter into such a relationship. Making **** up is a piss poor debate tactic.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    This is why the SCOTUS runs this nation..

    These assclowns can interpret the law any way they see fit and they do so with a political agenda in mind. These aren't Supreme Court Justices - they're nothing more than politicians in robes.
    Oh for god's sake...read the ****ing article. SCOTUS has absolutely nothing to do with this at this time. It was a lower court ruling. It is also correct legally.
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    Re: Federal Judge Rules Va. Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh for god's sake...read the ****ing article. SCOTUS has absolutely nothing to do with this at this time. It was a lower court ruling. It is also correct legally.
    It doesn't matter, it will go to the SCOTUS and those district judges are the same anyways - they're just politicians with robes that get their jollies off circumventing democracy and the Constitution(s) which is ironic in its on right.

    They're the real rulers of society and at times even this country...

    These ass hats should be representatives of the people not appointed officials - the SCOTUS should be expanded to 10x it's size.

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