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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    So your position is based on fantasy. Well, that explains a lot.
    It's based on history.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    It's based on history.
    You have a time machine? Let me borrow it.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    An article in the Guardian of London headlined, "A pro-western regime in Kabul should give the U.S. an Afghan route for Caspian oil".

    "The invasion of Afghanistan is certainly a campaign against terrorism," wrote author George Monbiot in the Oct. 22, 2001, piece, "but it may also be a late colonial adventure."

    He wrote that the U.S. oil company Unocal Corp. had been negotiating with the Taliban since 1995 to build "oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and into Pakistani ports on the Arabian sea."

    To make things even smoother, the U.S. engineered the rise to power of two former Unocal employees: Hamid Karzai, the new interim president of Afghanistan, and Zalmay Khalizad, the Bush administration's Afghanistan envoy.

    John Pilger in an Oct. 29 commentary in the British-based Mirror wrote, "Bush's concealed agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil fuel on earth."

    "Just as the Gulf War in 1991 was about oil, the new conflict in South and Central Asia is no less about access to the region's abundant petroleum resources," writes Ranjit Devraj in the Hong Kong-based Asia Times, a business- oriented publication.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    I don't either, but I do remember them being about as successful with their venture as we are with ours.

    Genghis Kahn wasn't trying to establish democracy either, and whatever he was trying to accomplish was also a failure.
    Genghis Kahn objective was rape and plunder.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    Genghis Kahn objective was rape and plunder.
    No need to point out how Obama would have just bent over back then.....just sayin!

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Let the Saudis and the those Sunni Arabs.....run in to save the day. Get a little bit of that front line action on a grand scale. So they can taste whats its like. Rather than just talk and talk and talk and beg others to go and do the their dirty work for them.
    agreed. suppose we had left a presence in Iraq? we'd be combatting ISIS in Anbar province for sure.

    Not our war, never was, just like AfPak, until we made it our business. Let the Saud do it; let the place go to hell. I do not care. just drone the AQ, but not the Taliban.
    Pakistan isn't our war either.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    An article in the Guardian of London headlined, "A pro-western regime in Kabul should give the U.S. an Afghan route for Caspian oil".

    "The invasion of Afghanistan is certainly a campaign against terrorism," wrote author George Monbiot in the Oct. 22, 2001, piece, "but it may also be a late colonial adventure."

    He wrote that the U.S. oil company Unocal Corp. had been negotiating with the Taliban since 1995 to build "oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and into Pakistani ports on the Arabian sea."

    To make things even smoother, the U.S. engineered the rise to power of two former Unocal employees: Hamid Karzai, the new interim president of Afghanistan, and Zalmay Khalizad, the Bush administration's Afghanistan envoy.

    John Pilger in an Oct. 29 commentary in the British-based Mirror wrote, "Bush's concealed agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil fuel on earth."

    "Just as the Gulf War in 1991 was about oil, the new conflict in South and Central Asia is no less about access to the region's abundant petroleum resources," writes Ranjit Devraj in the Hong Kong-based Asia Times, a business- oriented publication.
    "Pipelineistan" is the given name. I don't know if by now we could control the Caspian reserves, but it very well could have been a key motivation.

    Extended AfPak War under Obama: Slouching towards Balkanization | Global Research

    Khalilzad was a key player in setting up the Afghanistan-America Foundation in the mid-1990s, a lobby that during the Clinton administration became very influential because of its spinning of TAP, hyped as a key pipeline to bypass both Iran and Russia

    Karzai has always denied – including to this correspondent – he was a minor Unocal employee plus entertainer of Taliban delegations visiting Houston and Washington in 1997.
    Khalilzad’s relationship is less murky: he was a certified Unocal advisor. The “prize” – from president Bill Clinton to Bush and now Obama –
    is still the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline, then known as TAP and now known as TAPI, with the inclusion of India (See Pipelineistan goes Af-Pak Asia Times Online, May 14, 2009).

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You have a time machine? Let me borrow it.
    I have a memory that goes back to the Vietnam War. Luckily for us, the North Vietnamese government didn't turn out to be nearly as "Communistic" as we supposed, and, as we now know, the so called "domino theory" was a lot of hoakum.

    But, after more than two decades in that country, Nixon finally pulled the troops out and went home. To this day, the hawks maintain that the war could have been won had it not been for the "liberals" who pulled us out prematurely.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I have a memory that goes back to the Vietnam War. Luckily for us, the North Vietnamese government didn't turn out to be nearly as "Communistic" as we supposed, and, as we now know, the so called "domino theory" was a lot of hoakum.

    But, after more than two decades in that country, Nixon finally pulled the troops out and went home. To this day, the hawks maintain that the war could have been won had it not been for the "liberals" who pulled us out prematurely.
    With Afghanistan we just need to get out and keep the drones and bombers handy. Back in the 1950’s when the domino theory was first envision, it was correct. Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, South Vietnam and Malaysia were ripe to fall. 15 years later Thailand had strengthen their national defense to where that country probably could stand on its own against the Vietnamese. But Laos and Cambodia just didn’t have the population or the will. Thailand did and those 15 years meant the domino theory would now stop at Thailand’s door whereas back in the late 50’s, Thailand was very weak, militarily and with the unity of the nation.

    As for winning that war, we never had the will. We went into Vietnam with a goal of not winning, but with preserving the status quo, gaining a stalemate. There are days I wake up think, yes we could have won. Then there are others when I wake up and know there was no way. But I was too deeply involved to have a non-biased opinion on Vietnam.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    With Afghanistan we just need to get out and keep the drones and bombers handy. Back in the 1950’s when the domino theory was first envision, it was correct. Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, South Vietnam and Malaysia were ripe to fall. 15 years later Thailand had strengthen their national defense to where that country probably could stand on its own against the Vietnamese. But Laos and Cambodia just didn’t have the population or the will. Thailand did and those 15 years meant the domino theory would now stop at Thailand’s door whereas back in the late 50’s, Thailand was very weak, militarily and with the unity of the nation.

    As for winning that war, we never had the will. We went into Vietnam with a goal of not winning, but with preserving the status quo, gaining a stalemate. There are days I wake up think, yes we could have won. Then there are others when I wake up and know there was no way. But I was too deeply involved to have a non-biased opinion on Vietnam.
    We went in not only with the goal of not winning, but with no vision of what winning would have even looked like. If the goal was status quo, why even get involved at all? Meanwhile, today we are in Afganistan with the goal of... what again? How do we know when we've won if there is no exit strategy?

    And I, too, was too involved to have a non biased view of Vietnam. It just seems to me that there are parallels with Vietnam, Afganistan, and Iraq.
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