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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, you hope they are laughing, because it's you that thinks it's a funny situation.
    I think it's clear enough that I'm anti-war. There's nothing funny about it to me whatsoever, Americans were there by choice. Afghanistan civilians however are the victims with 30 or 40 or 100 thousand dead, who can know for certain, And don't think that Americans weren't laughing (hell, don't still laugh) at Russia over their failed attempt. Of course Putin and his men have had their toasts.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    I'm sorry dude, its not made up but just an abbreviation.
    Why is the "A" uppercase ?

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Whatever his name, he's right. It ain't going to get any better.
    Do you think that I should provide a link ?

    Why not.

    >"Drawing on the American experience of leaving Iraq without an agreement on future presence, the Commandant of the Marine Corps said, “I don’t want that to happen in Afghanistan.” Gen. James Amos, speaking on Tuesday at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, added, “We can ill afford to simply pull out and go home,” noting the tumult now convulsing parts of Iraq."<

    Marine Commandant: U.S. Can 'Ill Afford to Simply Pull Out' of Afghanistan | USNI News

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They were about as successful with whatever they were trying to accomplish as we are with whatever we're trying to accomplish.
    The USSR supported a democratic transitional government with human rights and an inflow of international development projects and the support of the UN? I don't remember that part.



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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Do you think that I should provide a link ?

    Why not.

    >"Drawing on the American experience of leaving Iraq without an agreement on future presence, the Commandant of the Marine Corps said, “I don’t want that to happen in Afghanistan.” Gen. James Amos, speaking on Tuesday at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, added, “We can ill afford to simply pull out and go home,” noting the tumult now convulsing parts of Iraq."<

    Marine Commandant: U.S. Can 'Ill Afford to Simply Pull Out' of Afghanistan | USNI News


    Let the Saudis and the those Sunni Arabs.....run in to save the day. Get a little bit of that front line action on a grand scale. So they can taste whats its like. Rather than just talk and talk and talk and beg others to go and do the their dirty work for them.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The USSR supported a democratic transitional government with human rights and an inflow of international development projects and the support of the UN? I don't remember that part.


    I don't either, but I do remember them being about as successful with their venture as we are with ours.

    Genghis Kahn wasn't trying to establish democracy either, and whatever he was trying to accomplish was also a failure.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't either, but I do remember them being about as successful with their venture as we are with ours.
    This is just plain BS. Afghanistan has a democratic transition governement with human rights on the books and massive international aid and investment projects. The USSR never even imagined wanting such things for Afghanistan.

    Your false equivalence is so inept as to be laughable. Learn some history.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This is just plain BS. Afghanistan has a democratic transition governement with human rights on the books and massive international aid and investment projects. The USSR never even imagined wanting such things for Afghanistan.

    Your false equivalence is so inept as to be laughable. Learn some history.
    Right. And when the USA leaves, which they must sooner or later, and Afganistan returns to an authoritarian hell hole once again, then the cry will be that we could have won if the liberals hadn't made us pull out.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Right. And when the USA leaves, which they must sooner or later, and Afganistan returns to an authoritarian hell hole once again, then the cry will be that we could have won if the liberals hadn't made us pull out.
    So your position is based on fantasy. Well, that explains a lot.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    a classic ex. of "mission creep". There was a poster here (can't recall) that laid it out nicely.
    Something like we flooded troops into Tora Bora chasing bin Laden, and just wound up with Bush's war to secure and BUILD a stable Afghanistan.

    Obama's problem is he doubled down on this unworkable idea - his so called "escalation/de-escalation" and got 3/4 of the total dead US troops under his watch killed.
    Not to mention the $B's in aid.. Not to mention the fact Karzai makes him look foolish, etc.
    Rumsfeld's original strategy for Afghanistan was to only have a small American footprint in Afghanistan. We didn't flood Tora Bora with troops.

    You may remember back in 2004 the leading Democrat candidate for the Democrat nomination for President was a war hero who received numerous Purple Hearts for self-inflicted wounds and was awarded the Silver Star for shooting a fleeing VC in the back. He said he knew how to win in Afghanistan. Increase the size on special forces ten fold, you know, every soldier is a Green Beret and every sailor is a SEAL, Then flood Afghanistan with special forces. I don't know how many he was thinking of, 200,000 ?

    By late 2001, Al Qaeda had fled Afghanistan moving their base of operations to Yaman and the Horn of Africa while those Al Qaeda who couldn't afford a pane ticket went into hiding in Northern Pakistan. Until 2009, Al Qaeda would be trapped and confined to these three regions.

    By early 2002 the Taliban would get their butts whooped along with a broken nose, swollen black eyes and a few fractured bones and would flee to Pakistan to lick their wounds for years.

    It ends up there were a few Taliban who were able to read and knew the history of Vietnam and some had internet access to see what Americans were saying. As soon as they saw the usual Americans back stabbing the American soldier in Iraq by not supporting the war in Iraq, the Taliban started reentering Afghanistan on snoop and poop missions. As soon as G,W. Bush became a lame duck President the Taliban started coming back to Afghanistan.

    The Taliban biggest concern was who would win the Presidency in 2008 ? As soon as they saw that Obama who was Muslim friendly would win, the Taliban came back big time. The Taliban smelled victory in 2009 as soon as Obama said that he would be withdrawing American troops from Afghanistan before winning the war.

    Should be noted that when the military commanders requested a troop surge in early 2009, it took Obama months to react. Obama would cave in and agree to send half of the number of troops that were requested and it would be over six months after the surge request was made before the first surge troops have started entering in-country. Then Obama introduced his politically correct Rules of Engagement (ROE) that favored the Taliban and would cause American troops to bleed in die in the name of political correctness.

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