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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Morning MMC
    The Bilateral Security Agreement between US and Afghanistan has to be signed, and then the State of Forces Agreement with NATO.
    Karzai leaves office in April -depending how quickly his successor is transferred power, the US could then still sign the BSA. ( I know you know this -background).

    Karzai is trying to save his life. He knows we are leaving, and chances are the Taliban will take over -so he's trying to concessions to keep from being lynched when they do.

    We are tied to tis bunch of miscreants. It's so we can drone Pakistan - forward bases in Afghanistan. Pakistan is in negotiations with their Taliban ( that prolly won't go anywhere).

    All of which isn't our problem. I read about naval drones, and we could use them under the military; but the CIA drones are those land based. More "convenient" to use CIA drones.

    It's all so ridiculous, such a house of cards. Obama doesn't want to be seen as "losing Afg." so the madness continues.

    Yeah, I figure Karzai will make a break for Iran. Its his only chance.

    Well.....Pakistan is a problem. Especially when the Saud thinks they can use them to get any nukes.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    There isn't even a benefit. 13 years and Russia's laughing their asses off.
    No they're not, they got their asses handed to them in a big way.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Looking a bit into the crystal ball here, but still.

    US and Afghanistan can't come to a Status of Forces agreement, so all the US troops are out by end of year 2014.
    Taliban and the newly elected Afghan president continue talks, as the Taliban slowly take over the entire government.
    Once the Taliban have done away with the Democratically elected government (say a year or two at most).
    The Taliban will re-institute their Sharia law, so music and movies will be banned, girls won't be allowed to go to school, rape, stoning, etc. will be the commonly handed out punishment by their local courts.
    The Taliban invite Al Qaeda back in, as they did years before.
    Give it about 10 years, we'll be back to where we started.
    Chances are high, in my mind anyway, that coalition forces will have to re-invade that country by about then.

    Too bad Obama and Karzai couldn't manage to get that Status of Forces agreement. Might have put this entire thing on a different path. This will be a failure on both of them.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Looking a bit into the crystal ball here, but still.

    US and Afghanistan can't come to a Status of Forces agreement, so all the US troops are out by end of year 2014.
    Taliban and the newly elected Afghan president continue talks, as the Taliban slowly take over the entire government.
    Once the Taliban have done away with the Democratically elected government (say a year or two at most).
    The Taliban will re-institute their Sharia law, so music and movies will be banned, girls won't be allowed to go to school, rape, stoning, etc. will be the commonly handed out punishment by their local courts.
    The Taliban invite Al Qaeda back in, as they did years before.
    Give it about 10 years, we'll be back to where we started.
    Chances are high, in my mind anyway, that coalition forces will have to re-invade that country by about then.

    Too bad Obama and Karzai couldn't manage to get that Status of Forces agreement. Might have put this entire thing on a different path. This will be a failure on both of them.
    right. so then we use the so called "counter terrorism" strategy -hit the AQ with airstrikes/drones. What we should have do from the beginning. we went counter insurgency (nation building) instead.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, I figure Karzai will make a break for Iran. Its his only chance.

    Well.....Pakistan is a problem. Especially when the Saud thinks they can use them to get any nukes.
    ya but I do not see the TAliban taking over Paki, like they prolly will in Afg. Paki has a legitimate military/ not afraid to run a coupe', if it happens.

    Iran gets nukes/Saud gets nukes ( from Paki). "what difference does it make at this point?" ..lol (Hillary on Bengazi)

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No they're not, they got their asses handed to them in a big way.
    Which is precisely why they are laughing at the US failure to improve anything other than the poppy production in the same place. Laughing their asses off.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Looking a bit into the crystal ball here, but still.

    US and Afghanistan can't come to a Status of Forces agreement, so all the US troops are out by end of year 2014.
    Taliban and the newly elected Afghan president continue talks, as the Taliban slowly take over the entire government.
    Once the Taliban have done away with the Democratically elected government (say a year or two at most).
    The Taliban will re-institute their Sharia law, so music and movies will be banned, girls won't be allowed to go to school, rape, stoning, etc. will be the commonly handed out punishment by their local courts.
    The Taliban invite Al Qaeda back in, as they did years before.
    Give it about 10 years, we'll be back to where we started.
    Chances are high, in my mind anyway, that coalition forces will have to re-invade that country by about then.

    Too bad Obama and Karzai couldn't manage to get that Status of Forces agreement. Might have put this entire thing on a different path. This will be a failure on both of them.
    Heya Eorhn .....they are saying Hagel and Obama are just thinking of waiting until the Election is over. Then try again......how pathetic. 4 times they told him to sign. Now we are going to give them another chance to sign. I have never seen such backstreet shuffling while trying to sound forceful and confident of ......that we know what we are doing.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    ya but I do not see the TAliban taking over Paki, like they prolly will in Afg. Paki has a legitimate military/ not afraid to run a coupe', if it happens.

    Iran gets nukes/Saud gets nukes ( from Paki). "what difference does it make at this point?" ..lol (Hillary on Bengazi)


    Well I got a message for the Pakis......look back in their history. Seems someone a very very long time ago got ticked at them and obliterated a city. Leaving everything in the city and the surrounding region under glass. Whats got all of MS Science all confused is.....no one around we knew of had, such capabilities.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Eorhn .....they are saying Hagel and Obama are just thinking of waiting until the Election is over. Then try again......how pathetic. 4 times they told him to sign. Now we are going to give them another chance to sign. I have never seen such backstreet shuffling while trying to sound forceful and confident of ......that we know what we are doing.
    Hey there MMC!

    No, from what I've heard the pentagon has plans that'll pull out every last troop by the end of this year. I don't think that they'll even try again with a newly elected president. What are the chances that Karzai is going to be re-elected? We already know he and his administration are corrupt as hell, so any challenger has one heck of a hill to climb to be elected.

    I'd be inclined to pull out every single piece of equipment out along with the troops. No sense leaving it for the Taliban to use against us later.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Well look who put on a big boy robe.

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