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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Mr. Karzai, on a visit to Turkey (money quote)



    Of all the disputes with Afghan leaders, none has been as infuriating as the prisoner releases, especially to military commanders steeped in a tradition of force protection above all else.

    “Detainees from this group of 65 are directly linked to attacks killing or wounding 32 U.S. or coalition personnel and 23 Afghan security personnel or civilians,” the American military said Thursday in a statement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/wo...ions.html?_r=0

    Sen. L. Graham: said in an interview on Thursday. “

    so leave, Obama adm is still chewing it's cud saying blandishments like "well we'll work this out' ( paraphrased) the only way to do so is to GET OUT. NOW


    Wouldn't it be interesting if Karzai got assassinated and they had a fair election for a new anti Taliban President?

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Mr. Karzai, on a visit to Turkey (money quote)



    Of all the disputes with Afghan leaders, none has been as infuriating as the prisoner releases, especially to military commanders steeped in a tradition of force protection above all else.

    “Detainees from this group of 65 are directly linked to attacks killing or wounding 32 U.S. or coalition personnel and 23 Afghan security personnel or civilians,” the American military said Thursday in a statement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/wo...ions.html?_r=0

    Sen. L. Graham: said in an interview on Thursday. “

    so leave, Obama adm is still chewing it's cud saying blandishments like "well we'll work this out' ( paraphrased) the only way to do so is to GET OUT. NOW


    Mornin AT Exactly.....don't say anything else to Karzai about signing any piece of paper. Just Pull up and leave. Then the Brits and the germans and the Some others have already stated they will end all aid and funding.

    So be it.....Let Karzai live with it and prepare himself for whats to come. Once we are totally out. Do you think he will make it past 90days once we pull out?

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

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    I don't like that made up word "A-Stan." It sidetracks my thoughts to Stan Laurel. Yes the same Stanley as in Laurel and Hardy.
    I'm sorry dude, its not made up but just an abbreviation.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Wouldn't it be interesting if Karzai got assassinated and they had a fair election for a new anti Taliban President?
    What are you suggesting Juanita? Karzai is going, and there will be elections, its just a matter of whether or not Karzai gets his man in there.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin AT Exactly.....don't say anything else to Karzai about signing any piece of paper. Just Pull up and leave. Then the Brits and the germans and the Some others have already stated they will end all aid and funding.

    So be it.....Let Karzai live with it and prepare himself for whats to come. Once we are totally out. Do you think he will make it past 90days once we pull out?
    Hey there MMC! Yeah, I mean I'm amazed if anybody has ever thought that US foreign policy can do anything to advance the well being of anyone in the ME. Why is anybody still clinging to a shred of hope. The blood and treasure that's been spent on that country in 30 years, for what. So that the poppy production can be back in full swing. So the Taliban can rule the day. Either there are hidden agendas that have benefited individuals or groups not readily visible, or two successive administrations have been completely incompetent.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    they had a fair election for a new anti Taliban President?
    If it was a fair election, how could you be sure that the Taliban wouldn't win? Ban them from standing and you just made it unfair.
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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin AT Exactly.....don't say anything else to Karzai about signing any piece of paper. Just Pull up and leave. Then the Brits and the germans and the Some others have already stated they will end all aid and funding.

    So be it.....Let Karzai live with it and prepare himself for whats to come. Once we are totally out. Do you think he will make it past 90days once we pull out?
    Morning MMC
    The Bilateral Security Agreement between US and Afghanistan has to be signed, and then the State of Forces Agreement with NATO.
    Karzai leaves office in April -depending how quickly his successor is transferred power, the US could then still sign the BSA. ( I know you know this -background).

    Karzai is trying to save his life. He knows we are leaving, and chances are the Taliban will take over -so he's trying to concessions to keep from being lynched when they do.

    We are tied to tis bunch of miscreants. It's so we can drone Pakistan - forward bases in Afghanistan. Pakistan is in negotiations with their Taliban ( that prolly won't go anywhere).

    All of which isn't our problem. I read about naval drones, and we could use them under the military; but the CIA drones are those land based. More "convenient" to use CIA drones.

    It's all so ridiculous, such a house of cards. Obama doesn't want to be seen as "losing Afg." so the madness continues.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Morning MMC
    The Bilateral Security Agreement between US and Afghanistan has to be signed, and then the State of Forces Agreement with NATO.
    Karzai leaves office in April -depending how quickly his successor is transferred power, the US could then still sign the BSA. ( I know you know this -background).

    Karzai is trying to save his life. He knows we are leaving, and chances are the Taliban will take over -so he's trying to concessions to keep from being lynched when they do.

    We are tied to tis bunch of miscreants. It's so we can drone Pakistan - forward bases in Afghanistan. Pakistan is in negotiations with their Taliban ( that prolly won't go anywhere).

    All of which isn't our problem. I read about naval drones, and we could use them under the military; but the CIA drones are those land based. More "convenient" to use CIA drones.

    It's all so ridiculous, such a house of cards. Obama doesn't want to be seen as "losing Afg." so the madness continues.
    If I were karzai I would be looking at real estate on Lake Geneve.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey there MMC! Yeah, I mean I'm amazed if anybody has ever thought that US foreign policy can do anything to advance the well being of anyone in the ME. Why is anybody still clinging to a shred of hope. The blood and treasure that's been spent on that country in 30 years, for what. So that the poppy production can be back in full swing. So the Taliban can rule the day. Either there are hidden agendas that have benefited individuals or groups not readily visible, or two successive administrations have been completely incompetent.

    Mornin' Monte Rumour is now Obama will delay and wait until Karzai leaves office. Which mean those left there.....that are Our Troopers. Will be at extreme serious risk.

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    Re: Karzai: "American military should “stop harassing” the Afghan judiciary

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Wouldn't it be interesting if Karzai got assassinated and they had a fair election for a new anti Taliban President?
    interesting, haven't thought about the elections -found this:

    Will Afghanistan Survive The Aftermath Of Its 2014 Presidential Elections? Will A Former Warlord Or Pro-Western Technocrat Replace Karzai?

    This year’s elections will see 11 candidates, ranging from Western-educated technocrats to former warlords with bloody histories.
    Afghanistan’s economy is largely dependent on international assistance as well as the presence of coalition forces in the country, which generates demand for goods and services.

    In 2010 to 2011 the civilian and security-related assistance was the equivalent to 98 percent of Afghanistan’s GDP, and with the transition Afghanistan will have to rely more on domestic revenue generation to meet its budgetary needs.
    This year’s presidential election can provide a critical opportunity for a renewal of legitimacy, a boost in confidence and a start to correcting the ineffective and corrupt governance that characterizes Afghanistan,” Vanda Felbab-Brown, a senior fellow with the Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence in the Foreign Policy program at Brookings, a non-partisan Washington think tank, said.
    But Brown warned the election could trigger “extensive violence, a prolonged political crisis that paralyzes governance and the collapse of international support,” which could strengthen the Taliban
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