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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    It is important to remember:

    1. No CEO every lies. They are representatives of God and can't. If that VW CEO said it, then it absolutely is true.

    2. Besides, if the CEO was willing to break labor law in how he tried to influence the election by making threats, he certain would do so because not only do CEOs never lie, but also if the break the law the call a press conference to announce they are doing so.

    That is the claim of the OPer anyway, who apparently worships corporations.

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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is important to remember:

    1. No CEO every lies. They are representatives of God and can't. If that VW CEO said it, then it absolutely is true.

    2. Besides, if the CEO was willing to break labor law in how he tried to influence the election by making threats, he certain would do so because not only do CEOs never lie, but also if the break the law the call a press conference to announce they are doing so.

    That is the claim of the OPer anyway, who apparently worships corporations.
    Well the link now goes to an updated article. Here's a couple lines in there now.

    VW has been publicly neutral on the vote. But when the German automaker last week announced an agreement with the UAW to coordinate their messages to workers, the union received a significant boost it has not had in previous, unsuccessful organizing efforts in the South.
    Corker's latest remarks contradicted an earlier statement by Frank Fischer, chief executive of VW Chattanooga, that there was "no connection" between the vote at its three-year-old Tennessee plant and a looming decision on whether VW will build a new crossover vehicle there.

    Volkswagen headquarters in Germany declined further comment and referred to Fischer's statement.
    Now why would VW want to coordinate with UAW if they wanted no unions? That makes no sense. I get that y'all are disappointed that Corker's lying agenda is exposed, I would expect nothing less.
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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Or possibly, blah blah blah, Corker put those things on the table and were entirely ignored by VW, meaning only in Corker's twisted anti-union head did it have any bearing.
    Or possibly all you know is what your own blind ideology allows you to see.

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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or possibly all you know is what your own blind ideology allows you to see.


    Oh keep it up, laughing is such a good activity. More irony, please.
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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post


    Oh keep it up, laughing is such a good activity. More irony, please.
    Interesting since I have said throughout this thread that we dont KNOW if he is being honest or not. That lack of knowledge thing hasnt gotten in your way though even a little bit...has it...

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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Gotta say I'm more inclined to believe the Senator than I am a PR statement from a company. Clearly, Volkswagen would be stabbing themselves in the back and ruining their sales potential in the US if it was seen to be interfering in American politics and/or union politics which on the left are one and the same.

    One sure way to know the truth is if the union certifies and then a few months down the road Volkswagen decides to reevaluate their investment strategy going forward.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Is it possible...now...I stress...I DONT KNOW>..but is it POSSIBLE...that the guy that negotiated the deal from his HOUSE with VW officials in Germany MAY...MAY now...just MAY have had contact with officilas in Germany...with the parent company...that supports his comments? Maybe?

    "In order to entice Volkswagen to build its new U.S. plant in Corker's hometown of Chattanooga, the state gave it about $580 million in incentives. Corker was instrumental in lobbying Volkswagen to put the plant, which opened in 2011, in Chattanooga. Early meetings with Volkswagen officials from Germany were held at his home."
    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is important to remember:

    1. No CEO every lies. They are representatives of God and can't. If that VW CEO said it, then it absolutely is true.

    2. Besides, if the CEO was willing to break labor law in how he tried to influence the election by making threats, he certain would do so because not only do CEOs never lie, but also if the break the law the call a press conference to announce they are doing so.

    That is the claim of the OPer anyway, who apparently worships corporations.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Interesting since I have said throughout this thread that we dont KNOW if he is being honest or not. That lack of knowledge thing hasnt gotten in your way though even a little bit...has it...
    He is not being honest

    Volkswagen workers begin 3-day union vote at Tenn. plant amid heavy campaigning by both sides


    The Chattanooga plant is alone among Volkswagen's major factories around the world without formal worker representation. The vote presents the union's best chance among the foreign transplants, because the corporate structure of the German automaker favours the creation of "works councils," where both blue-collar and salaried employees have a say in working conditions at the plant.

    The company has said that under U.S. law, it can't create the domestic auto industry's first works council without the establishment of a union at the plant.

    The plant in Chattanooga is the only VW plant in the world without some form of worker representation. VW wants the plant to have a formal worker representation which it can not do internally as it is against US law. So VW has talked to and made certain arrangements with the UAW about what they could form if the workers at the plant decide to have the UAW organize the workers council that VW wants the plant to have.

    in other words VW brought the UAW down, and has worked with them to a certain level to potentially have the UAW represent the workers.

    CEO's if they did not want a union and did not have a union, are not likely to do what VW has done.

    A politician who is extremely anti union is likely to misrepresent things in order to prevent a union from being formed
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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    He is not being honest

    Volkswagen workers begin 3-day union vote at Tenn. plant amid heavy campaigning by both sides





    The plant in Chattanooga is the only VW plant in the world without some form of worker representation. VW wants the plant to have a formal worker representation which it can not do internally as it is against US law. So VW has talked to and made certain arrangements with the UAW about what they could form if the workers at the plant decide to have the UAW organize the workers council that VW wants the plant to have.

    in other words VW brought the UAW down, and has worked with them to a certain level to potentially have the UAW represent the workers.

    CEO's if they did not want a union and did not have a union, are not likely to do what VW has done.

    A politician who is extremely anti union is likely to misrepresent things in order to prevent a union from being formed
    He may or may not be being honest. You assume, just as the other. He is not some unknown...he is the guy that brokered the deal with execs in Germany to bring the plant to Tennessee. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he is still in contact with many of those people that gathered in his home to negotiate that deal. It is also not a certainty. We dont know.

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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He may or may not be being honest. You assume, just as the other. He is not some unknown...he is the guy that brokered the deal with execs in Germany to bring the plant to Tennessee. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he is still in contact with many of those people that gathered in his home to negotiate that deal. It is also not a certainty. We dont know.
    This about sums it up. Its certainly possible that Corker is lying but its certainly possible that private conservation with VW reps occurred as well. Neither are stretch.

    But, VW's public neutrality makes sense. It ends up being a win/win for them. They come out looking good and then decide not to expand in the TN plant and get to say the union vote had nothing to do with it.

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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    There are a LOT of non union auto plants in the south (right to work states). The UAW would love to get in, and they would wedge in if the VW plant went union.

    From what I know of, US law prohibits a workers/management partnership like in Germany - unionization is needed.

    So while unions aren't really that helpful anymore for auto plants, VW can use this worker partnership without unionization.

    All eyes on Chattanooga: VWs workers are deciding the future of unions in the South

    For their part, Volkswagen executives are lying low and claiming neutrality. They acknowledge their desire for a works council, arguing that their model of labor-management relations serves them well in every other country in the world, except China. Under U.S. law, the company cannot set up a works council without first having its employees vote for a union.

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    Re: Union vote has nothing to do with adding vehicle line: Volkswagen

    Volkswagen is almost certainly telling the truth, Corker is talking out of his ass. The German workers union IG Metall actually sits on Volkswagen's board and would not allow corporate decisions to be based on punishing organized labor. Volkswagen also has demonstrated a solid track record of working with unions and works councils across the world and have little reason to be worried about the UAW.

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