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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    One reason is from the law that requires ERs treat the uninsured and the government subsidises hospitals to do that.

    The other is that the same care ends up costing your insurance company more to help pay for that. The extra cost to your insurance turns into higher premiums for you.
    That's only partially true. ERs are only required to treat an emergency, regardless of insurance. They can deny care based on the inability to pay if it isn't an emergency.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    To a certain degree he does have a point. If we could get all the women out of the jobs they shouldn't have, there would likely be a much lower unemployment rate (as men would fill those jobs) and the women could get back to their proper place as housewives and homemakers.
    Assuming your solution to unemployment is unacceptable to the population as a whole (which is probably a fair assumption)...

    I mean the economy of today usually requires two incomes to make it work.


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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    Except the CBO didn't say that there would be the jobs lost as referenced but that people would be free to leave jobs that they are hanging on to because of insurance needs. It is about fewer people working, the jobs would still be there and the Representative makes the point that it means that people who are working just to have insurance can now be a stay at home parent. I thought the right wing wanted that?
    So why should I care about "income inequality" if the working poor choose to work less?
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You participated in the voting of your representatives. That means you are party to what happened. And frankly, your view is a bit skewed. You pay for fire departments and roads and police and other things that others don't but use. You and I do for two reasons: 1) in benefits us personally when the circumstance changes and we need them, and 2) it benefits the community as a whole, and when our neighbor is protected, it makes things better for all of us.
    Voting for representatives does not change the law.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    One reason is from the law that requires ERs treat the uninsured and the government subsidises hospitals to do that.

    The other is that the same care ends up costing your insurance company more to help pay for that. The extra cost to your insurance turns into higher premiums for you.
    And I never consented to any of that.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And I never consented to any of that.
    Do you have insurance or not?


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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you have insurance or not?
    I do not. I have a local HMO where anyone who recieves care, pays for it.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I do not. I have a local HMO where anyone who recieves care, pays for it.
    An HMO is a form of insurance.

    Regardless, if one person doesn't pay their bill, you end up getting charged more. Just like how shoplifting makes things more expensive for the rest of us.


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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are still parroting rhetoric and have yet to post the actual report which you profess to believe. Where is the actual REPORT...not the defense of, not the spin, and not the rhetoric. Where is the REPORT that says 2 millions jobs will be lost but thats OK because they are 2 million jobs that will be lost because the employees really just dont want to have to work those hours anyway. Thats all I have asked since the very beginning.

    SURELY you have read the report and are not just mindlessly parroting what others have said...right? Why is it that now FIVE of you can parrot the rhetoric but not provide the actual report (which is all I asked from the get go before you all got so chunky and angry)
    The bold part is the root of your misunderstanding. No one, CBO included, is saying 2 million jobs will be lost.

    You believe the lie because you want to believe the lie.

    I'm not parroting anything but what the CBO says. I did post the link to the CBO report and quote the CBO director regarding HIS report.

    So, I ponied up my proof... where's yours?
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Voting for representatives does not change the law.
    It puts your view in the room. That person represents you. No form of government allows any of us to have it our way all the time. As a form, this form as better than most.

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