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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't understand why you have trouble owning your hypocrisy.
    I don't have a trouble with that, and have in the past done so. But, you'll excuse me if you calling me a hypocrite, while pointing out that the "they did it too" argument is puerile, and dumb.

    And I think you missed the argument entirely. The point was republicans did not come to the table willing to compromise. Don't worry too much because I don't think democrats did either. But I can link where Obama specifically made an effort if you want.
    Obama is a very cynical negotiator. His pattern has always been to rhetorically hold out what can be editorialized as an 'effort', when in reality he has NO intention of following through with meeting anyone short of what his own goals are. Health Care was no different. One day he would say that he wants Repubs to offer suggestions, while when they were indeed offered, he dismissed them as useless, and then took to the camera's to say that they offer nothing.

    During the early days in the health care reform effort, the atmosphere was a heady one for Democrats, who for the first time in many years held not only the White House, but also both houses of Congress by solid margins. Consumed by having gained this high degree of power, they saw no need to consult with Republicans to develop a bi-partisan approach to improve the system, because they had the power to do what they wanted to do.

    They were unable to resist the temptation to cram everything imaginable into the reform bill, and when they included measures that Republicans found unacceptable, Democrats began calling Republicans obstructionists, giving the clear impression that Republicans simply refused to participate, and only cared about stopping reform.

    After locking themselves away and drafting legislation that they knew Republicans couldn’t support, then rejecting Republican proposals to modify the legislation, when Republicans predictably voted against the bill, they called them “the party of ‘No.’ ”

    They denounced Republican opposition with comments like, “Republicans don’t want to help people who can’t afford health insurance,” “Republicans oppose health care reform,” and “Republicans want to maintain the status quo.” All of that may make for exciting political theater, but it accomplishes nothing positive.

    Health care reform: Democrats locked Republicans out of the process Columns Bluefield Daily Telegraph, Bluefield, WV
    Just now when Demo's know full well that there has been at least three proposals that could have changed aspects of the law to mitigate the damage it is doing, demo's through the real obstructionist Harry Reid table the proposals, then immediately say that repubs have offered nothing. It is disingenuous, cynical, and outright deceitful.

    Now you want to rewrite history as though people don't remember a mere 5 years ago, and come up with some fairy tale of how the poor demo's just wanted to listed to repubs, and were not given the chance because of republican intransigence. It is just not true.
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't have a trouble with that, and have in the past done so. But, you'll excuse me if you calling me a hypocrite, while pointing out that the "they did it too" argument is puerile, and dumb.



    Obama is a very cynical negotiator. His pattern has always been to rhetorically hold out what can be editorialized as an 'effort', when in reality he has NO intention of following through with meeting anyone short of what his own goals are. Health Care was no different. One day he would say that he wants Repubs to offer suggestions, while when they were indeed offered, he dismissed them as useless, and then took to the camera's to say that they offer nothing.



    Just now when Demo's know full well that there has been at least three proposals that could have changed aspects of the law to mitigate the damage it is doing, demo's through the real obstructionist Harry Reid table the proposals, then immediately say that repubs have offered nothing. It is disingenuous, cynical, and outright deceitful.

    Now you want to rewrite history as though people don't remember a mere 5 years ago, and come up with some fairy tale of how the poor demo's just wanted to listed to repubs, and were not given the chance because of republican intransigence. It is just not true.

    J, all I did was make fun of your hypocrisy. Nothing more.

    And no logical non partisan would argue that Repbulicans tried to negotiate in good faith. But like I said, which your blind partisanship always misses, neither did democrats. The thing is, I blame people like you on both sides, and the talking heads they listen to more than I do our politicians. They poison the well and make compromise next to impossible.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, all I did was make fun of your hypocrisy. Nothing more.

    And no logical non partisan would argue that Repbulicans tried to negotiate in good faith. But like I said, which your blind partisanship always misses, neither did democrats. The thing is, I blame people like you on both sides, and the talking heads they listen to more than I do our politicians. They poison the well and make compromise next to impossible.
    Instead of calling me names, why don't you define "compromise" for me?
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Instead of calling me names, why don't you define "compromise" for me?
    Not calling you names J.

    And compromise is each side giving a little. It likely means both are unhappy, but it might be better law than where one side is very happy and the other completely not.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not calling you names J.

    And compromise is each side giving a little. It likely means both are unhappy, but it might be better law than where one side is very happy and the other completely not.
    Ok, and what did demo's offer to "give"?
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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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