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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's no evidence of that yet. But there is evidence that part time won't likely go over that amount.
    Well, heres youre evidence. My employer does that. I have part timers who I supervise who used to work 38 hours avg, at an hourly wage, and did not receive health benefits. I was told when the law came into effect, to specifically keep them under 29 hours average from now on. I dont know how widespread it is, but it does exist.

    Those individuals are now making less money as a result, even though employer and employee were willing to work the hours without the benefit.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well, heres youre evidence. My employer does that. I have part timers who I supervise who used to work 38 hours avg, at an hourly wage, and did not receive health benefits. I was told when the law came into effect, to specifically keep them under 29 hours average from now on. I dont know how widespread it is, but it does exist.
    And mine moved more to full time. Looks like a push to me.

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=4028

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well, heres youre evidence. My employer does that. I have part timers who I supervise who used to work 38 hours avg, at an hourly wage, and did not receive health benefits. I was told when the law came into effect, to specifically keep them under 29 hours average from now on. I dont know how widespread it is, but it does exist.
    And mine moved more to full time. Looks like a push to me.

    Health Reform Not Causing Significant Shift to Part-Time Work — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Thats doesnt really help my employees, who are now making less money, even though they were happy with the situtation before. These are people, not statistics.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats doesnt really help my employees, who are now making less money, even though they were happy with the situtation before. These are people, not statistics.
    Helped those who got full time. These are people who needed it.

    There is no logical reason for you laying off. But by all means join me in arguing insurance should be removed for employment. We'd spend less and have better access for all with a single payer.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not according to the CBO. I can link it if you want.
    According to the CBO report page 117:

    "The reduction in CBOs projections of hours worked
    represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent
    workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about
    2.5 million in 2024.
    Although CBO projects that total
    employment (and compensation) will increase over the
    coming decade, that increase will be smaller than it would
    have been in the absence of the ACA."

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...utlook2014.pdf

    So, more people will be down graded to part time, and salaries will decline, or at the very least have a smaller increase than without the ACA....And you are saying directly the opposite....That is just disingenuous.
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    According to the CBO report page 117:

    "The reduction in CBO’s projections of hours worked
    represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent
    workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about
    2.5 million in 2024.
    Although CBO projects that total
    employment (and compensation) will increase over the
    coming decade, that increase will be smaller than it would
    have been in the absence of the ACA."

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...utlook2014.pdf

    So, more people will be down graded to part time, and salaries will decline, or at the very least have a smaller increase than without the ACA....And you are saying directly the opposite....That is just disingenuous.
    Not due to employers laying off, which is the issue.


    The reason we don’t use the term ‘lost jobs’ is there is a critical difference between people who like to work and can’t find a job—or have a job that’s lost for reasons beyond their control—and people who choose to word,” Elmendorf said.

    Actually, the CBO report clearly explains that the estimated reduction in labor “stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor” and that “there is no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of ACA.”

    CBO Director To Congress

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    cbpp operates under an agenda of promoting progressive issues, through questionable data compiling....
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not due to employers laying off, which is the issue.


    The reason we don’t use the term ‘lost jobs’ is there is a critical difference between people who like to work and can’t find a job—or have a job that’s lost for reasons beyond their control—and people who choose to word,” Elmendorf said.

    Actually, the CBO report clearly explains that the estimated reduction in labor “stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor” and that “there is no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of ACA.”

    CBO Director To Congress
    Then either Elmendorf didn't read his own report, or isn't being truthful to congress when he says that...I posted it right from his own report.
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    cbpp operates under an agenda of promoting progressive issues, through questionable data compiling....
    Yes, I know, anything you disagree with has an agenda. But the they are not alone.

    "The CBO makes it crystal clear that its analysis suggests that U.S. labor supply, not labor demand, would likely be reduced by various provisions of the ACA [Affordable Care Act]. Fewer sellers, not fewer buyers. That means, for openers, that the ACA should raise wages, especially low wages," he explains.

    "More germane to the political brouhaha, it also means that the decline in work does not mean jobs being destroyed but rather that some people are choosing to work less — or not at all. That doesn't sound so bad."

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