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Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinner

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I don't think that is a good goal, but it is the ends to the means put in place at the moment. But not before bankrupting the people. They should have let Republicans into the process, but no, they had to get all authoritarian and ram through a piece of cap that no one read in the middle of the night.

J, I believe with all my heart that republicans had every opportunity, and were only excluded when they would not actually contribute. To be included, you have to actually come to the table. And frankly, when we talked about republicans doing this under Bush, your side responded with, you won. Can't have it both ways.

Still, I would support them working together. But they must come to the table willing to compromise.
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

J, I believe with all my heart that republicans had every opportunity, and were only excluded when they would not actually contribute. To be included, you have to actually come to the table. And frankly, when we talked about republicans doing this under Bush, your side responded with, you won. Can't have it both ways.

Still, I would support them working together. But they must come to the table willing to compromise.

I think you're wrong about that. Democrats had Apollo project write the bill then when Republicans complained about the so called social justice aspects they were locked out and the propaganda you bought into was disembeled.

Compromise doesn't mean do everything your opponent wants.
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

I think you're wrong about that. Democrats had Apollo project write the bill then when Republicans complained about the so called social justice aspects they were locked out and the propaganda you bought into was disembeled.

Compromise doesn't mean do everything your opponent wants.

Seems I said the same thing to you concerning republicans. As I recall, you told me they won. Odd.

However, we have a factual issue.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Wednesday laid out a series of compromises he's willing to make to get a health care overhaul through a nervous Congress this year, including diluting his vision for a new public insurance program and embracing ideas floated by Republicans.

Read more here: Obama offers compromises to get health care bill passed | Politics | McClatchy DC
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

Seems I said the same thing to you concerning republicans. As I recall, you told me they won. Odd.

However, we have a factual issue.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Wednesday laid out a series of compromises he's willing to make to get a health care overhaul through a nervous Congress this year, including diluting his vision for a new public insurance program and embracing ideas floated by Republicans.

Read more here: Obama offers compromises to get health care bill passed | Politics | McClatchy DC

Ah the whole "based on heritage" lie to demonize republicans... plus you start out this post with the childish premise of "nah, nah you did it first"

Sigh* come on back when you want an honest conversation, because this ain't it.
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

Ah the whole "based on heritage" lie to demonize republicans... plus you start out this post with the childish premise of "nah, nah you did it first"

Sigh* come on back when you want an honest conversation, because this ain't it.

I don't understand why you have trouble owning your hypocrisy.

And I think you missed the argument entirely. The point was republicans did not come to the table willing to compromise. Don't worry too much because I don't think democrats did either. But I can link where Obama specifically made an effort if you want.
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

I don't understand why you have trouble owning your hypocrisy.

I don't have a trouble with that, and have in the past done so. But, you'll excuse me if you calling me a hypocrite, while pointing out that the "they did it too" argument is puerile, and dumb.

And I think you missed the argument entirely. The point was republicans did not come to the table willing to compromise. Don't worry too much because I don't think democrats did either. But I can link where Obama specifically made an effort if you want.

Obama is a very cynical negotiator. His pattern has always been to rhetorically hold out what can be editorialized as an 'effort', when in reality he has NO intention of following through with meeting anyone short of what his own goals are. Health Care was no different. One day he would say that he wants Repubs to offer suggestions, while when they were indeed offered, he dismissed them as useless, and then took to the camera's to say that they offer nothing.

During the early days in the health care reform effort, the atmosphere was a heady one for Democrats, who for the first time in many years held not only the White House, but also both houses of Congress by solid margins. Consumed by having gained this high degree of power, they saw no need to consult with Republicans to develop a bi-partisan approach to improve the system, because they had the power to do what they wanted to do.

They were unable to resist the temptation to cram everything imaginable into the reform bill, and when they included measures that Republicans found unacceptable, Democrats began calling Republicans obstructionists, giving the clear impression that Republicans simply refused to participate, and only cared about stopping reform.

After locking themselves away and drafting legislation that they knew Republicans couldn’t support, then rejecting Republican proposals to modify the legislation, when Republicans predictably voted against the bill, they called them “the party of ‘No.’ ”

They denounced Republican opposition with comments like, “Republicans don’t want to help people who can’t afford health insurance,” “Republicans oppose health care reform,” and “Republicans want to maintain the status quo.” All of that may make for exciting political theater, but it accomplishes nothing positive.

Health care reform: Democrats locked Republicans out of the process » Columns » Bluefield Daily Telegraph, Bluefield, WV

Just now when Demo's know full well that there has been at least three proposals that could have changed aspects of the law to mitigate the damage it is doing, demo's through the real obstructionist Harry Reid table the proposals, then immediately say that repubs have offered nothing. It is disingenuous, cynical, and outright deceitful.

Now you want to rewrite history as though people don't remember a mere 5 years ago, and come up with some fairy tale of how the poor demo's just wanted to listed to repubs, and were not given the chance because of republican intransigence. It is just not true.
 
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I don't have a trouble with that, and have in the past done so. But, you'll excuse me if you calling me a hypocrite, while pointing out that the "they did it too" argument is puerile, and dumb.



Obama is a very cynical negotiator. His pattern has always been to rhetorically hold out what can be editorialized as an 'effort', when in reality he has NO intention of following through with meeting anyone short of what his own goals are. Health Care was no different. One day he would say that he wants Repubs to offer suggestions, while when they were indeed offered, he dismissed them as useless, and then took to the camera's to say that they offer nothing.



Just now when Demo's know full well that there has been at least three proposals that could have changed aspects of the law to mitigate the damage it is doing, demo's through the real obstructionist Harry Reid table the proposals, then immediately say that repubs have offered nothing. It is disingenuous, cynical, and outright deceitful.

Now you want to rewrite history as though people don't remember a mere 5 years ago, and come up with some fairy tale of how the poor demo's just wanted to listed to repubs, and were not given the chance because of republican intransigence. It is just not true.


J, all I did was make fun of your hypocrisy. Nothing more.

And no logical non partisan would argue that Repbulicans tried to negotiate in good faith. But like I said, which your blind partisanship always misses, neither did democrats. The thing is, I blame people like you on both sides, and the talking heads they listen to more than I do our politicians. They poison the well and make compromise next to impossible.
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

J, all I did was make fun of your hypocrisy. Nothing more.

And no logical non partisan would argue that Repbulicans tried to negotiate in good faith. But like I said, which your blind partisanship always misses, neither did democrats. The thing is, I blame people like you on both sides, and the talking heads they listen to more than I do our politicians. They poison the well and make compromise next to impossible.

Instead of calling me names, why don't you define "compromise" for me?
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

Instead of calling me names, why don't you define "compromise" for me?

Not calling you names J.

And compromise is each side giving a little. It likely means both are unhappy, but it might be better law than where one side is very happy and the other completely not.
 
Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

Not calling you names J.

And compromise is each side giving a little. It likely means both are unhappy, but it might be better law than where one side is very happy and the other completely not.

Ok, and what did demo's offer to "give"?
 
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