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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Joe, do you think changing the standard for a full time work week to 30 hours is a good thing?
    I know it wasn't directed at me, but I wish there was another way to define it. No matter how you define it in terms of numbers, employers are going to do what they can to play with the numbers. I think at 30, you'll see a lot of people hired to work for 29 hours and 55 minutes to get around it.


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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Joe, do you think changing the standard for a full time work week to 30 hours is a good thing?
    Could be. Lowering stimulated the economy in the past. Ryan was for it before he was against it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    [QUOTE=Grant;1062932463]
    That would be your ancestry, which may differ significantly from your culture. Travel to any foreign country and you'll probably be recognized by most as an American. That's not an unusual American experience.



    Well defined roles can often make a society run more smoothly, and this is reflected in the tribal laws from which all of us sprang. People like to be free but within generally accepted restraints, though the idea of absolute freedom outside the safety of our understood community is a scary thing for many. It's freedom on a leash.
    Oh, I'm arguing it's not usual.

    Run more smoothly for some, but create more conflict for others. I'm not arguing against constraints. I'm arguing against roles, specifically gender roles. Though I can't think of any roles that wouldn't create conflict when faced with reality.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I know it wasn't directed at me, but I wish there was another way to define it. No matter how you define it in terms of numbers, employers are going to do what they can to play with the numbers. I think at 30, you'll see a lot of people hired to work for 29 hours and 55 minutes to get around it.
    I don't disagree...We already see that...If this thing is supposed to be so great for business why would they do that?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I know it wasn't directed at me, but I wish there was another way to define it. No matter how you define it in terms of numbers, employers are going to do what they can to play with the numbers. I think at 30, you'll see a lot of people hired to work for 29 hours and 55 minutes to get around it.
    There's no evidence of that yet. But there is evidence that part time won't likely go over that amount.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Could be. Lowering stimulated the economy in the past. Ryan was for it before he was against it.
    So I have to agree with Ryan? Why? I didn't ask you if it could be, I asked if you thought it was...As usual you leap directly into twisting into a semantic battle....
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't disagree...We already see that...If this thing is supposed to be so great for business why would they do that?
    What do you make of the CBO saying there is no evidence of that?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's no evidence of that yet.
    There is evidence of that....What you said here is just simply NOT true.
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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So I have to agree with Ryan? Why? I didn't ask you if it could be, I asked if you thought it was...As usual you leap directly into twisting into a semantic battle....
    I'm not an expert. But what I read us that it could stimulate the economy. Especially when it is voluntary 30 hours a week, as indicated in the report. You try to steer the comment towards what you want to hear. I try to answer it honestly.

    Ryan was just as I love watching partisans do their gymnastics.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinne

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is evidence of that....What you said here is just simply NOT true.
    Not according to the CBO. I can link it if you want.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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