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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

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    Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures - The Washington Post

    The headline is no surprise. The House Armed Services Committee issued a report today ...



    Well, except in one way.



    There was no stand down order. Repeat: There was no stand down order. Maybe that ludicrous talking point can finally be put to rest.
    Special forces in Italy ready to go were told to not go. No one was told to go or specifically told not to.

    Repeat: There were take-no-action orders. There were not go orders. Maybe your false claim can finally be put to rest.
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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I'm sure Osama bin Laden and Muhmar Ghaddafi both agree from their graves. Obama just doesn't have what it takes to order military strikes into foreign countries.
    Generally I'm an "isolationist" but our embassy was attacked and they were basically told to stand down until they were murdered.

    I would have lit those ****s on fire. **** orders. Then I would have shot the **** out of them then threw grenades at them... Then I would have burned the place to the ground after I evacuated the building.

    Too bad those we (or better yet idiot Obama) select advisers or diplomats aren't the best "McGivers" - if they were they would have survived.

    I would have lit them all on fire and watched them run.... Use that time to destroy the embassy and make an escape..

    There was nothing in the building to defend with a human life....

    If I had Napalm I would have them all melted to the concrete...

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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Are you friggin kidding?!?

    They were ordered to stay put, and not help, and that's your proof of no stand down order?

    Yeah, his own message proves his conclusion is 100% opposite from his own message. But there is no surprise about that.

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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Special forces in Italy ready to go were told to not go. Aircraft on a nearby aircraft carrier were told not to go. No one was told to go or specifically told not to.

    Repeat: There were take-no-action orders. There were not go orders. Maybe your false claim can finally be put to rest.
    House GOP Blasts State Dept. over Benghazi Review - World - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

    Adm. Mike Mullen, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

    Meanwhile, Mullen was quick to insist American forces could not have rushed to the rescue in time to save the four Americans killed during the Benghazi attack.

    "The military did everything they possibly could that night. They just couldn't get there in time," Mullen insisted. "It's 2 o'clock in the morning. There are no planes on alert. It's two to two-and-a-half hours to fly there. Tanker support is four hours away."
    It is unsurprising how badly conservatives want to milk Benghazi for all it's worth.
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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

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    Quite obviously, security at the Benghazi compound was insufficient. The fact that the attack was successful is indicative of that. And yes, that's on State and, to an extent, the White House.

    However, while this shouldn't be political, it is. One repeated cudgel used by the GOP has been that the White House issued a "stand down" order to forces that might have been able to assist, which leads to the conclusion that Obama "let them die." As we now see, this is not correct.

    While clearly the priority should be to prevent future attacks, knowing how they screwed up and knowing how they didn't are both vital.
    As a prior military SOF, getting an order to not deploy from Tripoli to Benghazi has the same meaning and effect as stand down.

    I wish that these types of events were less political. Both sides have gone overboard with the politics; the Democrats in refusing to identify the failures and where they originated, and the Republicans by emphasizing the President and Secretary of State rather than letting the evidence lead where it will.

    This has the same smell, to me, as when Johnson tried to run the Vietnam war instead of letting the Generals do it, as well as an event I was personally involved in - Somalia, where Clinton recalled a crew served weapons and armored personnel carriers because he didn't want the illusion of an occupying force, even after we literally begged to have them returned resulting in many US deaths in Mogadishu.

    These problems arise when the civilians either think they know better than the Generals, or when the civilians let political gain override US military lives.

    Before anyone says anything, there's no slant in me naming Johnson and Clinton because every President was guilty if this to one extent or another; even Reagan in another event I was part of - Grenada.

    We do need know if Hillary had a hand in the decisions, IF she decides to run for President. Simply, because we need to know if she would be willing to make the same choices of politics over lives. There may not be a way to know if others from either party may make the same choices (although I tend to think they may since it isn't just a Democrat failing), but as to Hillary, we may actually the evidence to show a pattern - and that - we need to know.

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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures - The Washington Post

    The headline is no surprise. The House Armed Services Committee issued a report today ...



    Well, except in one way.



    There was no stand down order. Repeat: There was no stand down order. Maybe that ludicrous talking point can finally be put to rest.
    You don't know how the military works Kobi.

    For a commissioned officer to be able to say or tell the truth in front of Congress he would have to resign his commission like Major General Merritt A. Edson, USMC did. That's right the same Edson as "Red Mike" of the Marine Raiders during WW ll. Most west coast Marines who went through MCRDSD probably qualified on Edson Range.

    >"Following the war Edson headed the effort to preserve the Marine Corps in the face of President Truman's (D) drive to "unify" the services. He waged a fierce campaign in the halls of Congress, in the media, and in public appearances across the nation. Finally, he resigned his commission in order to testify publicly before committees of both houses of Congress. His efforts played a key role in preserving the Marine Corps."<
    http://www.nps.gov/history/history/o...30-00/sec1.htm

    Like a few months ago when Obama tried to feminize the Marines by ordering all Marines to start wearing girly covers (hats) Every swinging dick in the Corps who was in the loop knows it came from the White House but Marine Corps HQ's was told to tell the public that Obama wasn't involved.

    Any officer who spoke off the record regarding Benghazi was purged. So you will not be hearing any officers who are still wearing the uniform talking off the record knowing they will be walking the plank if they do. That's become SOP in the the Obama PC military, just shut up and don't say #### while looking at each other who's next on Obama's hit list ?

    There was no order to "stand down." What was said "Belay that order."

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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    House GOP Blasts State Dept. over Benghazi Review - World - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

    Adm. Mike Mullen, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:



    It is unsurprising how badly conservatives want to milk Benghazi for all it's worth.
    I guess it's as equally unsurprising some liberals are more incensed by conservatives than by what actually occurred. Screw the Ambassador, defend Obama at all costs.

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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

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    I guess it's as equally unsurprising some liberals are more incensed by conservatives than by what actually occurred. Screw the Ambassador, defend Obama at all costs.
    Stop lying about him and maybe people will stop defending him.
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    Re: Republicans investigating Benghazi blame White House, State Dept. for failures

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The only thing that makes this political is the fact those in charge of giving orders did NOTHING but pretty much say "stand down."
    That in and of itself doesn't make it political, except that we need to know what happened and who ordered it so we as the electorate can make an informed choice in 2016.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If they were given permission to fight for their lives this wouldn't even be a story ...
    That's true...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Obama was too inept to consider such a concept because hes one of those OWS guys where uprisings just lead to graffiti written in human ****....
    Had to laugh... That's one view. I don't totally agree, nor disagree.

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