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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

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    Exactly for it is about keeping power and running for the next election vs. doing their job. Whatever it takes to buy the votes necessary to stay in power. I am sick of both parties but realize that the only way to make change is from within, not on the outside. Build a third party from the ground up, not the top down as that will never happen.
    Third parties, in order to work (survive?), must be able to take, fairly equally, from both of the existing two parties. What typically goes wrong is that third parties take primarily from only one of them, thus simply handing the other a cheap victory.
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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I just gave you the line items in the budget, the defense budget is somewhere around 800 billion out of the 3.6 trillion dollar Federal Govt. Cut the entire defense budget and you still have an Obama deficit. Why? Because of social engineering and failure to implement policies to put 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time. Obama and liberals have no understanding of the private sector economy and you fit that bill
    You're not going to get an argument from me about Obama's spending, but YOU support idiotic spending as well. Just because the other side does it more, doesn't mean the spending you support is good. So yeah, you might want to watch from slipping on that soapbox you love to preach responsible spending from because the spending YOU support isn't good either.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You're not going to get an argument from me about Obama's spending, but YOU support idiotic spending as well. Just because the other side does it more, doesn't mean the spending you support is good. So yeah, you might want to watch from slipping on that soapbox you love to preach responsible spending from because the spending YOU support isn't good either.


    There is idiotic spending on both sides but there is only one party spending less than the other and to me that is an improvement. You have to work within the party to make changes because one part is so organized and brainwashed that if you destroy the Republican Party you have permanent Democratic leadership and the march towards Europe

    It would be a great exercise for you to fill in the line items I gave you and see what you come up with for a budget. Bet it isn't 3.77 trillion as Obama wants

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Falling from what? The highest deficits ever recorded? Wow, we had a 680 billion dollar deficit and you Obama supporters are taking victory laps. Such low standards you have. How much of that deficit reduction was due to elimination of the Payroll tax holiday or doesn't that count?

    What is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty and that of the 42 percent that still support Obama? It distorted information like you are posting that gives you zero credibility.
    The liberal mind is incredible in it's nonsensical functions. Only someone that refuses to think critically can possibly applaud actions like this. They are Obama's clapping seals.
    Imagine an insurance company that triples your rates for several years, for no reason at all, then says they will cut your rate in half and claims that they are cutting insurance rates faster than any company in history. Do you know anyone with at least half a brain that would applaud this?
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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is idiotic spending on both sides but there is only one party spending less than the other and to me that is an improvement. You have to work within the party to make changes because one part is so organized and brainwashed that if you destroy the Republican Party you have permanent Democratic leadership and the march towards Europe

    It would be a great exercise for you to fill in the line items I gave you and see what you come up with for a budget. Bet it isn't 3.77 trillion as Obama wants
    No what you have is the GOP wanting to reign in DEM spending, but not spending for things the GOP wants. If your bar is set so low to call that improvement, than you are the perfect Republican.

    I have not approved of nor supported Obama's spending. However, I also don't approve of spending on idiotic things like the wars we have fought and social conservative issues such as the war on drugs. When I see a con or GOP member willing to drop the social conservative spending, then I'll take them seriously in them wanting responsible spending.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No what you have is the GOP wanting to reign in DEM spending, but not spending for things the GOP wants. If your bar is set so low to call that improvement, than you are the perfect Republican.

    I have not approved of nor supported Obama's spending. However, I also don't approve of spending on idiotic things like the wars we have fought and social conservative issues such as the war on drugs. When I see a con or GOP member willing to drop the social conservative spending, then I'll take them seriously in them wanting responsible spending.
    What exactly do you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is? I gave you the line items in the budget, here are the amounts. You complete them to your satisfaction then we will have something to discuss

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    Receipt 2012

    Individual Income tax 1132.2
    Corporate Taxes 242.3

    Total 1374.5

    SS/Unemploy/Other 774.9

    Excise Taxes 79.1
    Other 150.2

    2378.7

    Expenses

    Defense 680.4
    International Affairs 47.2
    Gen. Science, Space 29.2
    Energy 14.8
    Natural resources/env 41.8
    Agriculture 19.7
    Commerce/Housing Cr 40.3
    Transportation 91.2
    Community Dev 26.1
    Education/Train/Social 89.1
    Health 346.7
    Medicare 471.8
    Income Security 542.1
    Social Security 773.3
    Veterans Benefits 124.6
    Justice 57.6
    General Govt. 23.4
    Net Interest 222.5


    Total 3641.8

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are two y-axis scales, one for each timeframe. The magnitude of the 1928 range, in terms of percentage, was actually twice as big.
    Ok, so we only lose half of the market value in a crash equal to 1928. What does that look like today in the economy? Still pretty bad by anyone's standards right?
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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What exactly do you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is? I gave you the line items in the budget, here are the amounts. You complete them to your satisfaction then we will have something to discuss

    Wouldn't it be great if we lived in a world where radical people didn't want us dead?
    Radical people want us dead all over the world. It seems we are only interested in the spots where WE can gain something from it. So spare me the social conservative mantra. Drop the war on drugs, drop the social conservative initiatives and then we can have something to discuss.

    The problem is you think government should interfere in morality.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Radical people want us dead all over the world. It seems we are only interested in the spots where WE can gain something from it. So spare me the social conservative mantra. Drop the war on drugs, drop the social conservative initiatives and then we can have something to discuss.

    The problem is you think government should interfere in morality.
    Great, fill out the budget and let's see what you have? Stop whining about the past and do something about the present and the future

    By the way, radical people knocked down the WTC at a cost of over a trillion dollars and taking about 3000 lives. What would you have done about it?

    You didn't like Iraq, so what? The money has been spent, the cost in lives and treasure counted, now what? Looking backward is what people like you always do assigning blame and never taking responsibility. You tell me that you didn't vote for Obama in 2008? You telling me you don't support his social initiatives?

    As for the govt. interfering in morality, what do you think Obama is doing now?

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If you're able to stretch or squish the y-axis by any arbitrary amount, you can probably find a dozen other years that "match."
    Is there any reason to not trust the site in terms of reporting the trends?
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