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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The deficits were caused by both a reduction in revenue and increase in expenses. Did those shovels ever arrive for those shovel ready jobs? The last Bush budget proposal was 3 trillion dollars. Obama proposed a 3.77 trillion budget this year. Is that an increase in spending? Let me know the last year Obama spent 3 trillion dollars?

    Part of the CBO projected deficit included TARP which was a loan that was mostly repaid. Please show where that credit went against the projected Bush deficits?
    Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
    Yep, most congress critters of both parties are quite willing to borrow and spend - most policy disagreements are based on what to spend more on, not whether to spend more.
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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
    Unlike like you who believe in a public sector economy the govt. cannot spend our way out way out of economic problems. this isn't Europe yet so how about addressing the issue of the 17.3 trillion dollar debt and the fact that Obama has added almost 7 trillion to it in less than 6 years?

    What I see here is a total lack of understanding of the U.S. Economy and the reality that we are a private sector not public sector economy like Europe. There govt. spending is the major component of GDP, here it is a lesser component of GDP. One of these days you are going to understand or learn the difference

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then I guess many conservatives are liberal. You know the ones that like to spend someone else's money for wars, war on drugs, and social conservatism in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results. Hello my liberal friend!
    The govt. always spends someone else's money unless they print it. The question is what do they spend it on and we have a Constitution that defines that. Suggest you read it especially the Preamble that states PROVIDE for the common defense meaning that fighting wars is everyone's responsibility. You don't like that then change the Constitution. As for the War on Drugs that was done by a Democrat controlled House but then that fact escapes people like you with an agenda.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, most congress critters of both parties are quite willing to borrow and spend - most policy disagreements are based on what to spend more on, not whether to spend more.
    Exactly for it is about keeping power and running for the next election vs. doing their job. Whatever it takes to buy the votes necessary to stay in power. I am sick of both parties but realize that the only way to make change is from within, not on the outside. Build a third party from the ground up, not the top down as that will never happen.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Unlike like you who believe in a public sector economy the govt. cannot spend our way out way out of economic problems. this isn't Europe yet so how about addressing the issue of the 17.3 trillion dollar debt and the fact that Obama has added almost 7 trillion to it in less than 6 years?

    What I see here is a total lack of understanding of the U.S. Economy and the reality that we are a private sector not public sector economy like Europe. There govt. spending is the major component of GDP, here it is a lesser component of GDP. One of these days you are going to understand or learn the difference
    So the answer is yes....
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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So the answer is yes....
    To this question?

    Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
    where did I make such a statement. Tell me why we need a 3 trillion dollar Federal Govt let alone a 3.77 trillion dollar one that Obama proposed?

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The govt. always spends someone else's money unless they print it. The question is what do they spend it on and we have a Constitution that defines that. Suggest you read it especially the Preamble that states PROVIDE for the common defense meaning that fighting wars is everyone's responsibility. You don't like that then change the Constitution. As for the War on Drugs that was done by a Democrat controlled House but then that fact escapes people like you with an agenda.
    I have read it and you excuse spending YOU approve of. So don't slip on that soapbox you like to preach "responsible" spending from when you support social conservative spending like war on drugs. The war on drugs is constantly trumpeted by the right. Deal with it my liberal spending friend.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    For those with no understanding of the budget here are the line items in it. Notice SS and Medicare which have no place in operating budget of the U.S. since they are self funding

    Receipt
    Individual Income tax
    Corporate Taxes
    Total
    SS/Unemploy/Other
    Excise Taxes
    Other
    Expenses
    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce/Housing Cr
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Medicare
    Income Security
    Social Security
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
    Net Interest
    How many of those line items are duplicated at the state and local level. This just goes to show how liberals are getting their wish, more power at the federal level and thus more power for govt. bureaucrats.

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    Re: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I have read it and you excuse spending YOU approve of. So don't slip on that soapbox you like to preach "responsible" spending from when you support social conservative spending like war on drugs. The war on drugs is constantly trumpeted by the right. Deal with it my liberal spending friend.
    I just gave you the line items in the budget, the defense budget is somewhere around 800 billion out of the 3.6 trillion dollar Federal Govt. Cut the entire defense budget and you still have an Obama deficit. Why? Because of social engineering and failure to implement policies to put 21 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work full time. Obama and liberals have no understanding of the private sector economy and you fit that bill

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