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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We have elected officials talk about attacking Iran all the time.

    NO we don't because we don't talk ****.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

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    The USA has the upper-hand and is controlling Iran's domestic programs. If the situation were reversed, I don't have a doubt in my mind that Lindsey Graham would be nattering about initiating an attack against Iran.

    Other than that, nuclear war is not desirable in for any reason. Anyone who makes threats of violence - be they hardline American or hardline Iranian - ought be immediately removed from office.
    We could wipe Iran off the map and no one would do a damn thing about it....

    Now Iran is getting cofmfy with weak ass Obama....

    Obama is an idiot for the 1,000 time - the only hate he understands in for the US..

    Like I said in a previous post - Obama is a joke to the ego-community.

    Given Onama's lack of skills hes an easy pushover.

    The idiot was too stupid to practice law... Has no experience running a business and this clown wants to play geopolitics? sorry to Obama geopolitics don't work like a community organizing event.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I would love to see a Canadian sub sink this Iranian ship.
    Canadian subs have trouble getting out of dry dock these days - don't count on it.
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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That would be a good one for the courts. Was Batista the rightful leader or not? I do not think that you would be able to make the argument that the US had been a colonial master in the European sense during the 1940s and 50s. While it might have been quasi legal to disposes nationals after the revolution Castro's property grab of third nation assets was not.



    Opening page of the Platt Amendment
    Despite recognizing Cuba's transition into an independent republic, United States Governor Charles Edward Magoon assumed temporary military rule for three more years following a rebellion led by José Miguel Gómez. In the following 20 years the United States repeatedly intervened militarily in Cuban affairs: 1906 - 1909, 1912 and 1917 - 1922. In 1912 U.S. forces were sent to quell protests by Afro-Cubans against perceived discrimination.
    By 1926 U.S companies owned 60% of the Cuban sugar industry and imported 95% of the total Cuban crop,[11] and Washington was generally supportive of successive Cuban Governments. However, internal confrontations between the government of Gerardo Machado and political opposition led to his military overthrow by Cuban rebels in 1933. U.S. Ambassador Sumner Welles requested U.S. military intervention. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, despite his promotion of the Good Neighbor policy toward Latin America, ordered 29 warships to Cuba and Key West, alerting United States Marines, and bombers for use if necessary. Machado's replacement, Ramón Grau assumed the Presidency and immediately nullified the Platt amendment. In protest, the United States denied recognition to Grau's government, Ambassador Welles describing the new regime as "communistic" and "irresponsible".[3][12]
    The rise of General Fulgencio Batista in the 1930s to de facto leader and President of Cuba for two terms (1940–44 and 1952–59) led to an era of close co-operation between the governments of Cuba and the United States. The United States and Cuba signed the Treaty of Relations in 1934. Batista's second term as President was initiated by a military coup planned in Florida, and U.S. President Harry S. Truman quickly recognized Batista's return to rule providing military and economic aid.[3] T
    Cuba sounds pretty colonial to me.

    What you need to bare in mind here is the land in question was held by the Spanish, then held by a corrupt ruling class, largely of Spanish descent, kept in power by force by the U.S after much of this land was transferred to American interests it wasn't uncommon to find an entire town run by the United Fruit company. The U.S has no more of a right to demand repayments then Spain does.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Cuba sounds pretty colonial to me.

    What you need to bare in mind here is the land in question was held by the Spanish, then held by a corrupt ruling class, largely of Spanish descent, kept in power by force by the U.S after much of this land was transferred to American interests it wasn't uncommon to find an entire town run by the United Fruit company. The U.S has no more of a right to demand repayments then Spain does.
    More dominant than colonial.
    And with a high probability it would make sense to repossess the original owners. Money would pour in. Jobs would be created en masse. The plight of the average Cuban would improve rapidly after the initial stalling we saw in eastern Europe after the Cold War.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    More dominant than colonial.
    And with a high probability it would make sense to repossess the original owners. Money would pour in. Jobs would be created en masse. The plight of the average Cuban would improve rapidly after the initial stalling we saw in eastern Europe after the Cold War.
    Well the unemployment rate is Cuba is 3% so it seems a strange priority, but besides that I don't see your model working any better than it did under Batista. And unemployment has risen in Eastern Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall, why do you think they need to go to Western Europe to find jobs?

    And whats the difference between the relationship between the U.S and Cuba during the first half of the 20th century and a the relationship between the British Empire and an Indian princely state? If anything the Princely states had more autonomy. But whatever you call it, land was taken and held by foreigners, and this relationship was maintained by force.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I'm going to come off ignorant when I say this... but I thought cuba was famous for drugs and crime? and the travel restrictions were to keep the american people safe.... But I don't know much about cuba :/

    ... ah, that's Mexico...

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    We could wipe Iran off the map and no one would do a damn thing about it....

    Now Iran is getting cofmfy with weak ass Obama....

    Obama is an idiot for the 1,000 time - the only hate he understands in for the US..

    Like I said in a previous post - Obama is a joke to the ego-community.

    Given Onama's lack of skills hes an easy pushover.

    The idiot was too stupid to practice law... Has no experience running a business and this clown wants to play geopolitics? sorry to Obama geopolitics don't work like a community organizing event.
    ...says someone that thinks "wiping Iran off the face of the earth" is a legitimate option.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well the unemployment rate is Cuba is 3% so it seems a strange priority, but besides that I don't see your model working any better than it did under Batista. And unemployment has risen in Eastern Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall, why do you think they need to go to Western Europe to find jobs?

    And whats the difference between the relationship between the U.S and Cuba during the first half of the 20th century and a the relationship between the British Empire and an Indian princely state? If anything the Princely states had more autonomy. But whatever you call it, land was taken and held by foreigners, and this relationship was maintained by force.
    The unemployment rate in the Soviet Union or East Germany was officially 0. Economists sometimes speak of hidden unemployment, when labor is employed to keep it out of trouble.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    My hope for the Cuban people would be that Castro would embrace capitalist aspects so that some sort of agreement could be reached for the Cuban people. Tourism, Tobacco, and other industry through American investment could greatly help this country so that we don't see another generation try and turn 55 gallon drums into flimsy boats, and drown as shark food in the Atlantic.
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