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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post

    Moreover, I'm jealous that only the Chinese and Venezuelans are able to sit on Cuban beaches sipping piña coladas.
    And virtually every single other country on the planet besides the US


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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    This isn't much of a surprise poll if you are politically attuned. I haven’t the slightest of ideas why we still have trade embargoes and travel restrictions on Cuba. Although I'm certain that we might be able to tease out some DP posters who believe this is a bad idea.

    My only concern is - as the NYT article mentions - human rights in Cuba. Yetl I find it strange that anyone would believe that the US (and Cubans) is better at increasing respect for human rights by isolating the Cuba. All that type [of diplomacy] achieves is an echo chamber for the Cuban government. Free trade, American tourist dollars and free movement are much better at spreading ideas and (given Cuban censorship) sharing restricted materials deemed to be dangerous.

    Moreover, I'm jealous that only the Chinese and Venezuelans are able to sit on Cuban beaches sipping piña coladas.
    I understood the embargo and isolation of Cuba and thought it was the right policy. Especially when Cuba was exporting revolutions by supplying their soldiers to Central America and Africa to do the USSR's bidding. But the fall of the USSR sort of made Cuba irrelevant on the global scene. Yeah, go ahead and normalize relations.
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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    ... which is a grand total of 4. Two of which are "communist" in scare quotes.

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    The US fought a proxy war in Vietnam, the Russians tried to beat us to the moon and Reagan assailed the Iron Curtain; I don't see how any of that OR Cuba's history has any relevancy to today's current political climate beyond informing us of how to approach Cuba. Castro is [almost literally] on life support and the vast majority of the world has moved on from the Cold War.

    What's done is done, and there's nothing we can do to time travel and "fix it". All of it sorely needs to be relegated to the past's memory, in order to allow us to deal with today's current issues.
    Well, now I'm primarily talking about Raul Castro, however time and time again Cuba has always been the "communists safe house and confidant" meaning Raul Castro welcomes any comrade to use his Island for any reason...

    Working with Cuba would just not be worth it because they cant be trusted and the risk is not worth the reward.

    I don't have a problem with getting rid of the embargoes and start small with trade, but Cubas unconditional loyalty to communist states must end.

    IMO, I think Cuba would make a great manufacturing hub, a nice vacation spot or even a nice place to live if it wasn't for the communist authoritarianism.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I'm very skeptical of this argument of yours. When has the US ever wanted to miss an opportunity, however small? It's a country 90 miles away that's near to massive American ports and has a population of 11 million people, who have hundred of thousands of their relatives living within our country. We've got great leverage and opportunity in Cuba that most other countries simply do not have.


    Central African Republic, Egypt, Ukraine, China, Myanmar, Nigeria, Uganda, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran.

    All breaking news countries with recent and egregious violations of human rights. How come we don't embargo and isolate them? The only difference is that isolation is not the status quo for these countries; that's only an incredibly limited tradition with Cuba. Quite frankly, in all other circumstances, we in the Western world seek diplomatic solutions within the country. We seek to improve the nation and empower its people through humanitarian aide and foreign investment. I simply am not sold on "isolationism" being the solution for Cuba, when we pursue complete different paths with almost all other countries.


    In terms of nice beaches.


    BAH! What, are you looking for a miracle? I'm about as confident in that as I am in Russia changing its national anthem to Diana Ross' "I'm Coming Out," or China dismantling its one-party state and creating a independent Tibetan state. Democratization and economic liberalization takes time; it's a rare circumstance that a government completely changes its tune and dissolves itself. Not to mention, when that does happen, it usually means flames, riots and general social unrest.

    Cuba is an autocratic echo chamber. It restricts free movement, and its censorship of ideas and "dangerous" material puts China to shame. The EU is doing us liberals in the West a big one, and conditioning their negotiations on human right reforms. With trade and travel restrictions gone, it'd be an absolute boon to the Cuban dissident movement to better share information and ideas among themselves and with the larger world. I believe it is a disappointment that the US cannot bring itself to do the same.
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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

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    We simply disagree.
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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    The truth is Iranian ships have no business even coming close to the US - they have no assets here. The only reason why we have ships on their turf is because they threaten to wipe out a nation everyday.... I know talk is talk but sometimes you gotta take some of that talk seriously....

    IMO, the only reason why Iran hasn't gone bat**** crazy yet while making good on their words is because we have a military presence there.

    Remember, we're not the ones threatening to wipe Israel off the map or collaborate with terrorist organizations to instill a revolutionary coup in hopes of an Islamic empire ruled by Sharia.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

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    I would love to see a Canadian sub sink this Iranian ship.

    Good one....
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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The truth is Iranian ships have no business even coming close to the US - they have no assets here. The only reason why we have ships on their turf is because they threaten to wipe out a nation everyday.... I know talk is talk but sometimes you gotta take some of that talk seriously....

    IMO, the only reason why Iran hasn't gone bat**** crazy yet while making good on their words is because we have a military presence there.

    Remember, we're not the ones threatening to wipe Israel off the map or collaborate with terrorist organizations to instill a revolutionary coup in hopes of an Islamic empire ruled by Sharia.
    We have elected officials talk about attacking Iran all the time.
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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We have elected officials talk about attacking Iran all the time.
    Yeah but the US doesn't threaten attacks - they discuss potential attacks IF the US or our assets were attacked.

    Iran literally threatens attacks...

    When the US starts making threats we unusually make good on them....

    If the US really wanted to we could vaporize Iran and no on would do anything about it. other than frowns by the UN... China, Russia and India would never get involved.

    Russia isn't even ready for a war - at least not with the US.

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    Re: Majority of Americans Favor Ties With Cuba, Poll Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah but the US doesn't threaten attacks - they discuss potential attacks IF the US or our assets were attacked. Iran literally threatens attacks... When the US starts making threats we unusually make good on them.... If the US really wanted to we could vaporize Iran and no on would do anything about it. other than frowns by the UN... China, Russia and India would never get involved. Russia isn't even ready for a war - at least not with the US.
    The USA has the upper-hand and is controlling Iran's domestic programs. If the situation were reversed, I don't have a doubt in my mind that Lindsey Graham would be nattering about initiating an attack against Iran.

    Other than that, nuclear war is not desirable in for any reason. Anyone who makes threats of violence - be they hardline American or hardline Iranian - ought be immediately removed from office.
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