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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Apparently there is no one here who works for VW in Tenn; many seem to be assuming the employees want a Union and are being deterred.

    News of this has been sparse for the last year.. from all involved. After watching this for awhile it is my impression that a deal was struck between VW, German Unions, and the UAW to install a union at the Tenn, plant.... The rub is that the employees do not or may not want any Union involvement and are happy with the existing situation.. I believe the employs voted against the Union prior to now... ( hmmm, need to re-verify that somehow ). Coercion may be taking place by the Union and VW (to placate German Unions).

    As hard as it might be to conceive... The state politburo might be trying to represent the constituency ??

    Again, info on this has been filtered through VW and is infrequent at best.

    Another political diversion from the bigger problems at hand.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    VW has German style corporate management, in which they actually incorporate worker input in the decision process (and I mean for real, not just the usual corporate BS), and have no problem with unions. The Tennessee government is interfering with a situation where both unions and management are on the same page. Talk about the nanny state.

    I don't like corporations getting special tax privileges in general for exactly this reason. All auto companies in Tennessee should be using the same tax forms. Letting the government arbitrarily select "winners" to be subsidized is incredibly prone to abuse. It also give the government unacceptable influence where they can tell businesses what to do in situations where they have no legal right.
    Well then I am sure that when the Tennessee deal falls through Volkswagen will run to a blue union state rather than Mexico, right?
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    They aren't interfering with those rights one bit and you know it. Nice straw fake argument for your hack agenda.
    Yes they are. Some of the money given to the company may be given to workers as pay, but the workers will decide whether to use a portion of their salaries to support a union, and if they become unionized, the members of the union decide which politicians to support through a democratic process. The politicians are using threats to prevent the workers from democratically deciding how to spend the union dues that come out of their own pockets.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Ohh Tenn the state... I thought ten politicians threatened as in the number XD

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They have 2 reasons to care.

    1. Politically the UAW is a Democratic fundraising organization. So Republicans would be voting to finance a huge fund raising and manpower campaign against them.....
    All Union dues, including the funds used for campaigning, would come from the worker's earnings, not the government subsidy.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, if only the UAW donated more to Republicans this deal might be going through.
    Don't you have enough money rolling in from the Koch brothers and their secret sources.
    You're already outspending DEMs 10-1 so far and still this.

    What you want the Republicans in Tennessee to do is akin to the Wisconsin
    State Workers Union donating money to the Scott Walker campaign fund.
    You are forgetting how Police and Fire Unions backed Walker during that recall.
    They sure regret that now .
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Union dues go to Democratic candidates and officials. Members don't have a say on that.

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    Unions have a representational democratic process for making policy decisions, the members do have a say on that. There are many more effective ways to insure that the company is likely to be successful.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That would be picking winners and losers though, right? Isnt that one of those things the right carries on about?

    Right to work in tenn. Means its just about politics. Specifically trying to hamstring the fundraising/campaigning that unions bring to bear.

    The crime they accuse the President of in the IRS "scandal".
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Union members tend to vote Democrat because the Republicans have been consistently anti-union for the last few decades.
    Yes, we've established that this is political. The question is now whether this is normal and natural based on the structure of our 2 party political system. Do politicians have the right to act in their own self-interests or must they only do "what's best for the people"?

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, we've established that this is political. The question is now whether this is normal and natural based on the structure of our 2 party political system. Do politicians have the right to act in their own self-interests or must they only do "what's best for the people"?
    Its a function of treating parties like sports teams instead of employees.

    We dont turn on "our" side when they **** up. We find something the other side did thats similar ebough to let us say "They do it too!"

    An IRS "scandal" thread got interesting when it became clear some of us want unions steipped of anonymity for donors too. Without the "unions get to keep their donors secret" argument, there wasnt much left for them to say.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Don't you have enough money rolling in from the Koch brothers and their secret sources.
    You're already outspending DEMs 10-1 so far and still this.
    2014 Election stats via OpenSecrets.org

    Individual donators: 4 of top 5 are Democrat

    527 Organizations: 9 or the top 12 are Democrat

    Top Individual Spender: Michael Bloomberg tops the list and spends 100% of his money on Democrats and Democrat causes.

    Top 11 Democrat PACS: $8,355,856.00

    Top 11 Republican PACS: $7,957,692.00

    PAC breakdown has Dems leading in 2 of the last 3 election cycles and Republicans never leading by 10-1:

    PAC.jpg

    Democrats have a slight cash advantage in Senate elections in 2014 so far, and Republicans lead in the House.

    Conclusion: Stop griping about made-up bull crap.


    You are forgetting how Police and Fire Unions backed Walker during that recall.
    They sure regret that now .
    Not really. Walker has gone of record that he is not pushing any expansion of Act 10 and supports the unionization of safety personnel. His comments recently were simply the honest assessment that some in the legislature might try to expand Act 10 in the future since the end result of Act 10 were very positive for Wisconsin.
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