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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    A minute ago you were pretending that their policy was meant to be in the public's best interest.
    It is in the public's best interest. It also happens to be in the best interest of their elections given the near 100% Democrat support that unions shovel into local and state elections.

    Now you're arguing that the GOP needs bribes.
    Are you saying that the money Democrats take from the UAW is bribe money?

    I knew your naivete was as phony as the GOP's "principles"
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It is in the public's best interest. It also happens to be in the best interest of their elections given the near 100% Democrat support that unions shovel into local and state elections.
    IOW, the GOP is throwing it's principle of not interfering with a free enterprise because it thinks the Nanny State Govt knows what's best for VW.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Partisanship is not unusual in politics. This level of partisanship, and the use of public money to pursue it, is not. Reasonable people can use their heads and distinguish between varying degrees of partisanship and come to conclusions based on the specific facts surrounding specific acts.
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    But it's not.

    It's like saying all the people who didn't care that Bill Clinton cheated on his wife would not care if he had cheated with a 10 year old boy. After all, it's his private life, right?

    You're not stupid. You are more than able to look at a situation and see if it goes clearly over the line, even if the line is not clearly demarcated
    No, I don't think I'm stupid but I don't know everything either. Because I'm not partisan, I sometimes have to ask questions to settle things in my mind.

    To you, this is very clear. To me, there are 2 sides to the argument.

    Sure, it should be about the best result for the citizens. But our country isn't structured that way. So, examining reality is required. Maybe you think your Clinton example can be applied here but there (in my view) some other subtleties. That's why we are here - to discuss and examine. Otherwise, we lose the debate element that is the basis for this board.

    As I've said before, it's too bad we are not a Meritocracy. Then we would have no issues like this. But we aren't, so it gets complicated.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, the GOP is throwing it's principle of not interfering with a free enterprise because it thinks the Nanny State Govt knows what's best for VW.
    Well first, lower operational costs ARE what's best for VW. That is universally true of all businesses. Tennessee's plan was to make VW's operational costs in Tennessee lower than they would be in Mexico. With the introduction of the UAW into the mix that either increases what Tennessee would need to shell out OR it makes Tennessee less attractive to VW as a home for the new factory.

    Personally I think they are far better off going for the low tax route that promotes broad based growth and is ultimately agnostic to the kinds of business their environment attracts rather than the Democrat-style fishing expeditions. So insofar as the original plan was targeted specifically at VW I would agree that it was disturbingly Democrat-like.

    Good thing the UAW stepped in and broke it up! Shew!
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    VW has German style corporate management, in which they actually incorporate worker input in the decision process (and I mean for real, not just the usual corporate BS), and have no problem with unions. The Tennessee government is interfering with a situation where both unions and management are on the same page. Talk about the nanny state.

    I don't like corporations getting special tax privileges in general for exactly this reason. All auto companies in Tennessee should be using the same tax forms. Letting the government arbitrarily select "winners" to be subsidized is incredibly prone to abuse. It also give the government unacceptable influence where they can tell businesses what to do in situations where they have no legal right.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Isn't "don't form a Union or else" just as much a free speech issue? It might be selfish but don't politicians in power have as much right to be negative as those seeking power?
    That would be picking winners and losers though, right? Isnt that one of those things the right carries on about?

    Right to work in tenn. Means its just about politics. Specifically trying to hamstring the fundraising/campaigning that unions bring to bear.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why should Tennessee taxpayers be giving anything for this anyway?
    Well that's part of why the plant is there is the subsidies and so on. If not for those, the plant may be somewhere else.

    Basically, the government IS involved in this. I'm not sure why the GOP has no problems with the government colluding with private business, but when the regular joes (aka voters) want to have someone on their side.....well, I know why, but there's no moral ground to stand on. It's just politics.


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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It is in the public's best interest. It also happens to be in the best interest of their elections given the near 100% Democrat support that unions shovel into local and state elections.
    It's not like there's no money being shoveled in to the GOP. Remember Citizens United? It basically means that there's unlimited money pouring into these elections on both sides, and unions play by the same rules. To paraphrase Mitt, "Unions are people, my friend."


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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Why would they care one way or the other? Am I missing something?
    Union members tend to vote Democrat because the Republicans have been consistently anti-union for the last few decades.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not like there's no money being shoveled in to the GOP. Remember Citizens United? It basically means that there's unlimited money pouring into these elections on both sides, and unions play by the same rules. To paraphrase Mitt, "Unions are people, my friend."
    I never said they weren't entitled to shovel money into whatever election they wanted to shovel money into. I was simply stating the fact that the unions shovel almost 100% of their money into DNC campaigns. Sangha's rage over the Tennessee Republican's decision to not invite UAW to suck at the Tennessee teat is just silly. I don't think he really realizes how bad he makes Democrats look when criticizing what Tennessee Republicans almost did given that what they almost did is actually what Democrats almost always do..
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