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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well no, they "interfered with the decisions of a free enterprise" when they offered money to VW in order to make it cheaper than Mexico.
    Which is just another example of Republicans throwing their bogus "principles" under the bus.

    By withdrawing that money they are returning the VW decision back to purely market driven realities.
    Everyone else understands the partisan reasons for this decision. You have chosen to pretend naivete
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The govt can put conditions on the use of public money, but not conditions that are political.

    The use of that money would be to bring jobs to the state. Their boasting about it is not a use of public money

    That is not a use of public money to promote a political party

    Why yes, politicians are political. It would be hard to find any decision a politician makes that isn't meant to make them look good.

    However, there is a difference between trying to look good by making good policy and using public money to achieve politically partisan goals when there is no other reason. It is particularly corrupt when it comes from a party that claims the govt should not interfere with the operation of free enterprises, and then turns around and interferes with a free enterprises affairs because of political favoritism

    We can use our brains and see the obvious motivation for this policy. It is clear that it is not being done because of how it affects the residents of the state. It is motivated purely by a desire to keep money out of the hands of democrats. IOW, it's a purely partisan maneuver and an abuse of power.
    Then I could easily argue that immigration encouragement and negation of ID laws are meant politically to benefit Democrats, not Americans. That's very partisan. So why is that OK? By your standards, you should feel the same way.

    After all, the Republicans position in TN is simply they don't want to give breaks to a unionized corporation. They aren't disallowing the corporation from moving there, they just don't want to give them corporate welfare if they are unionized. So, in a way, they are saving the public money. Why are they obligated to give any company a tax break in the first place?

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which is just another example of Republicans throwing their bogus "principles" under the bus.

    Everyone else understands the partisan reasons for this decision. You have chosen to pretend naivete
    Actually, everybody does seem to understand the partisan aspect. Look at the responses I got to my original question. Isn't this (partisanship) normal?

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which is just another example of Republicans throwing their bogus "principles" under the bus.

    Everyone else understands the partisan reasons for this decision. You have chosen to pretend naivete

    Yeah, if only the UAW donated more to Republicans this deal might be going through.

    What you want the Republicans in Tennessee to do is akin to the Wisconsin State Workers Union donating money to the Scott Walker campaign fund.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

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    Then I could easily argue that immigration encouragement and negation of ID laws are meant politically to benefit Democrats, not Americans. That's very partisan. So why is that OK? By your standards, you should feel the same way.
    Except that there are plenty of non-partisan reasons for supporting those policies. In this case, it is clear why the republicans are making the support contingent on non-unionization.

    After all, the Republicans position in TN is simply they don't want to give breaks to a unionized corporation. They aren't disallowing the corporation from moving there, they just don't want to give them corporate welfare if they are unionized. So, in a way, they are saving the public money. Why are they obligated to give any company a tax break in the first place?
    The issue isn't whether or not they think it's a bad idea to give public money to a corp to convince it to move there. They have already made it clear that are willing to do that.

    The question is why would they make the money contingent on VW not going union? And the answer is clear - it's because of partisan concerns and not how it will affect their constituents.

    You could argue this issue on philosophical grounds for eternity. I prefer to deal with the reality, which is clear to everyone (including you) but the most partisan posters who will pretend that they believe it's the govt's job to protect VW from it's own bad decisions.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Actually, everybody does seem to understand the partisan aspect. Look at the responses I got to my original question. Isn't this (partisanship) normal?
    Partisanship is not unusual in politics. This level of partisanship, and the use of public money to pursue it, is not. Reasonable people can use their heads and distinguish between varying degrees of partisanship and come to conclusions based on the specific facts surrounding specific acts.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except that there are plenty of non-partisan reasons for supporting those policies. In this case, it is clear why the republicans are making the support contingent on non-unionization.



    The issue isn't whether or not they think it's a bad idea to give public money to a corp to convince it to move there. They have already made it clear that are willing to do that.

    The question is why would they make the money contingent on VW not going union? And the answer is clear - it's because of partisan concerns and not how it will affect their constituents.

    You could argue this issue on philosophical grounds for eternity. I prefer to deal with the reality, which is clear to everyone (including you) but the most partisan posters who will pretend that they believe it's the govt's job to protect VW from it's own bad decisions.
    Yes, it is clear to me. There is no philosophical issue. All I'm saying is that this is business as usual.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, if only the UAW donated more to Republicans this deal might be going through.
    A minute ago you were pretending that their policy was meant to be in the public's best interest.

    Now you're arguing that the GOP needs bribes.

    I knew your naivete was as phony as the GOP's "principles"
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, it is clear to me. There is no philosophical issue. All I'm saying is that this is business as usual.
    But it's not.

    It's like saying all the people who didn't care that Bill Clinton cheated on his wife would not care if he had cheated with a 10 year old boy. After all, it's his private life, right?

    You're not stupid. You are more than able to look at a situation and see if it goes clearly over the line, even if the line is not clearly demarcated
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which is just another example of Republicans throwing their bogus "principles" under the bus.



    Everyone else understands the partisan reasons for this decision. You have chosen to pretend naivete

    I don't know about everyone, but I can certainly see the partisanship oozing from your interpretation.

    The fact is the CEO of VW has laid out a plan to make VW the largest car manufacturer in the World by 2018. To achieve this, they are planning on spending $80 billion to bring about new vehicles, new technologies, and new production plants.

    Getting hammered by a Unionization issue would create a situation where they would just as easily increase production capacities in facilities outside of Tenn. As has been pointed out, why would increased incentives be offered if in the long term production is shifted elsewhere?

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