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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

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    All Union dues, including the funds used for campaigning, would come from the worker's earnings, not the government subsidy.
    In addition, the law allows union members who do not want to contribute to politics to opt out of that portion of the unions' dues.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, we've established that this is political. The question is now whether this is normal and natural based on the structure of our 2 party political system. Do politicians have the right to act in their own self-interests or must they only do "what's best for the people"?
    Framing it as an either/or question destroys any possibility of considering the subtleties you suggested we need to consider in a prior post.

    Instead, we should ask ourselves if this decision tilts too far in one direction, instead of balancing the competing interests, and base our support or opposition on that.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Tennessee Republicans approve money to VW so that they can offset the labor cost making it possible for VW to move their plant to Tennessee --> That money goes to help pay employee salaries --> money is taken out of employee salaries to pay UAW dues --> money is taken out of UAW dues to help fund DNC candidates in Tennessee.

    It really isn't a terribly complicated money trail.
    But it is terribly wrong

    The money the UAW donotes to political causes doesn't come from their dues. It comes from contributions that are separate from the dues, and which the members are not required to pay if they don't want to support those actions.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And there you go again, justifying the Nanny State Govt when it interferes with free enterprise!
    Hah, keep reaching. I never said that the government should ensure lower operational costs, only that lower operational costs are always favorable to a business.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Tennessee Republicans approve money to VW so that they can offset the labor cost making it possible for VW to move their plant to Tennessee --> That money goes to help pay employee salaries --> money is taken out of employee salaries to pay UAW dues --> money is taken out of UAW dues to help fund DNC candidates in Tennessee.

    It really isn't a terribly complicated money trail.
    The workers have the right to spend the money they earned as they see fit. It is no one else's business.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, keep reaching. I never said that the government should ensure lower operational costs, only that lower operational costs are always favorable to a business.
    The fact remains that, regardless of what you think, the republicans in Tenn think it's great for the Nanny State Govt to get involved in the decisions a free enterprise makes.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Which is why big business and unions should not be directly or indirectly influencing elections.
    I think they should not be contributing to political parties. However, under the right of free association they can educate the public on their points of view however.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late
    "Which is why big business and unions should not be directly or indirectly influencing elections."

    There is nothing wrong with business interests, unions or any other group from using their money for lobbying or campaigning for candidates. The problem is that some groups have a disproportionate amount of money (and as a result, power and influence) compared to the number of people that they really represent. The best solution is to maker it easier for all groups to have a voice in the media. That is why I support requiring broadcasters to air debates repeatedly in prime time with all candidates included, and also to provide all candidates or ballot measure proponents with prime time air time to state their views.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But it is terribly wrong

    The money the UAW donotes to political causes doesn't come from their dues. It comes from contributions that are separate from the dues, and which the members are not required to pay if they don't want to support those actions.
    False. Local dues are used for political action in support of the DNC which they thinly disguise as "fighting for social justice", and soft money comes from coffers that are filled by dues.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The fact remains that, regardless of what you think, the republicans in Tenn think it's great for the Nanny State Govt to get involved in the decisions a free enterprise makes.
    And like I said, good thing the UAW muscled its way into the picture and snapped them out of it!
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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