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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Not really..
    You just denied the FACT that Police and Fire Unions absolutely DID support Walker in his recall.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I never said they weren't entitled to shovel money into whatever election they wanted to shovel money into. I was simply stating the fact that the unions shovel almost 100% of their money into DNC campaigns. Sangha's rage over the Tennessee Republican's decision to not invite UAW to suck at the Tennessee teat is just silly. I don't think he really realizes how bad he makes Democrats look when criticizing what Tennessee Republicans almost did given that what they almost did is actually what Democrats almost always do..
    I only contend the "best for their elections" part. If it's about the money being shoveled into elections, I'm sure the GOP has no problem countering where the Union money goes. Besides which, none of the Union dues come from state coffers except very indirectly.


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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, we've established that this is political. The question is now whether this is normal and natural based on the structure of our 2 party political system. Do politicians have the right to act in their own self-interests or must they only do "what's best for the people"?
    I'm not sure they can tell the difference. A true believer thinks that what's in the best interest of the people is their party winning. Kind of like how things were rationalized in the USSR - "The party is the workers, therefore what's good for the party is good for the workers."


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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, we've established that this is political. The question is now whether this is normal and natural based on the structure of our 2 party political system. Do politicians have the right to act in their own self-interests or must they only do "what's best for the people"?
    It is pretty normal and natural, but it is sleazy, undemocratic and unacceptable. Too bad the conservatives are so blinded by their corporate propaganda induced union hatred they can't see what a bad precedent this sets.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You just denied the FACT that Police and Fire Unions absolutely DID support Walker in his recall.
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    HAHAHA! No I didn't. I said they are not really regretting it and then went on the explain why.

    Man, I actual laughed out loud when I read your foot stomping response.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I only contend the "best for their elections" part. If it's about the money being shoveled into elections, I'm sure the GOP has no problem countering where the Union money goes. Besides which, none of the Union dues come from state coffers except very indirectly.
    I'm sure they do have counters to the Union money. That doesn't mean they should be in the business of handing millions more to the UAW, though.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I'm sure they do have counters to the Union money. That doesn't mean they should be in the business of handing millions more to the UAW, though.
    The workers would be the ones paying union dues, not the company, not the state.

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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The workers would be the ones paying union dues, not the company, not the state.
    Tennessee Republicans approve money to VW so that they can offset the labor cost making it possible for VW to move their plant to Tennessee --> That money goes to help pay employee salaries --> money is taken out of employee salaries to pay UAW dues --> money is taken out of UAW dues to help fund DNC candidates in Tennessee.

    It really isn't a terribly complicated money trail.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    No, I don't think I'm stupid but I don't know everything either. Because I'm not partisan, I sometimes have to ask questions to settle things in my mind.

    To you, this is very clear. To me, there are 2 sides to the argument.

    Sure, it should be about the best result for the citizens. But our country isn't structured that way. So, examining reality is required. Maybe you think your Clinton example can be applied here but there (in my view) some other subtleties. That's why we are here - to discuss and examine. Otherwise, we lose the debate element that is the basis for this board.

    As I've said before, it's too bad we are not a Meritocracy. Then we would have no issues like this. But we aren't, so it gets complicated.
    I don't know everything either. For example, I can't figure how this is unclear to you

    Yes, there are two sides to every story (actually, not true) but sometimes one side is still clearly the more sensible one.

    Our political system is designed to force politicians to do what is best for its' constituents. I think you're ignoring the subtleties by thinking that because partisan interests often do play a role in the positions that politicians take we should not even consider the role it took in this particular instance. Because these partisan interests are so pervasive and corrosive to the political process, IMO we must think about how it has affected every decision our politicians make and try to reduce it. Condoning a decision that is based solely on partisan interests simply because such interests are pervasive is poor judgement.
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    Re: Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well first, lower operational costs ARE what's best for VW.
    And there you go again, justifying the Nanny State Govt when it interferes with free enterprise!

    And another bogus GOP "principle" gets thrown under the bus
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