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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Crazy thought...return the animal to the wild?
    Horrible idea. Novel Pathogens are one of the biggest current threats to biodiversity


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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They survive a lot longer in the wild than they do in Copenhagen Zoos, apparently!
    lol, yes, because we all know nature is a bunch of fuzzy bunnies and populated by reformed carnivores that harvest sky marshmallows in their magic cloud cars.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Several article posted here, even one from you, made it clear they were following EAZA guidlines

    <<<still posting articles that don't say what you say they do>>>
    That article is the one already quoted in which an EAZA spokesmen said the "support the decision", not that they made the decision. And at least one EAZA member zoo thought it was OK to take in the giraffe.

    Also since you dodged the question it is safe to say you have no actual experience with the EAZA and its policies and are only making claims about these mandates that dictated Marius needed to be killed out of thin air?



    this was already explained to you numerous times ...

    (multiple links to the same story already linked)

    Where does that article state the EAZA mandate is to cull unneeded animals?

    actually I was explaining to you, for the third time, that in the article you posted, their reference to using contraception was for future breeding projects and not in reference to the Giraffe being that was recently killed. This is because you have been arguing that it was in reference to the Giraffe that was culled
    You can't read. Seriously. They discussed this BEFORE THE ANIMAL WAS DEAD and decided that the risk was that it might break it's neck. Unless of course you think that the day when the giraffe was shot and skinned in front of I live audience was the first anyone said "hey.... maybe we could have just castrated him!" ... in which case your "There was a rational discussion" flies out the window because the group that did this would have had to be complete idiots and incapable of actually thinking rationally.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, yes, because we all know nature is a bunch of fuzzy bunnies and populated by reformed carnivores that harvest sky marshmallows in their magic cloud cars.
    Yeah, nature is far more dangerous to giraffes than a bullet in the brain.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That article is the one already quoted in which an EAZA spokesmen said the "support the decision"
    <<<He said the zoo had followed the recommendation of the EAZA>>>

    <<<A spokesman for EAZA stressed that...describing euthanising animals as a "last resort". When the future survival of a species was at stake, he said, unpalatable decisions sometimes had to be made.>>>


    not that they made the decision
    they were based on EAZA guidlines


    And at least one EAZA member zoo thought it was OK to take in the giraffe.
    And the EAZA agreed with the Danish zoo that culling was preferable and correct course ...


    Also since you dodged the question it is safe to say you have no actual experience with the EAZA and its policies and are only making claims about these mandates that dictated Marius needed to be killed out of thin air?
    On genetic management EAZA and AZA guidelines are pretty universal


    Where does that article state the EAZA mandate is to cull unneeded animals?
    <<<***A spokesman for EAZA***... He said all alternatives were looked at, but none were found to be viable, describing euthanising animals as a "last resort". When the future survival of a species was at stake, he said, unpalatable decisions sometimes had to be made.

    "We need to prioritise - wherever possible - individuals who can help safeguard that future over the long term," said the spokesman.>>>

    You can't read. Seriously
    No, I cited the exact text for you

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, nature is far more dangerous to giraffes than a bullet in the brain.
    As I explained above, the concern about releasing captive specimens is more dependent on infectious diseases. Particularly, novel pathogens like chytrid and rana virus that remain relatively unknown until they reach catastrophic levels of infection and threaten to wipe out entire species. In the above instance, I was just making fun of your notion that a zoo environment is more dangerous than it's natural environment with active predators.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    <<<He said the zoo had followed the recommendation of the EAZA>>>

    <<<A spokesman for EAZA stressed that...describing euthanising animals as a "last resort". When the future survival of a species was at stake, he said, unpalatable decisions sometimes had to be made.>>>
    Recommendations aren't mandates. So much for your "he had to!" argument.


    they were based on EAZA guidlines
    "based on" doesn't mean he was required to do it? You have tried to argue that there was some unavoidable compulsion -- you even claimed a fellow board member's sister was a liar for saying there was no compulsion -- and now you are trying to weasel out of it.

    And the EAZA agreed with the Danish zoo that culling was preferable and correct course ...

    So? Would they have agreed with him had he sent Marius to the UK zoo?


    On genetic management EAZA and AZA guidelines are pretty universal

    How would you know?


    <<<***A spokesman for EAZA***... He said all alternatives were looked at, but none were found to be viable, describing euthanising animals as a "last resort". When the future survival of a species was at stake, he said, unpalatable decisions sometimes had to be made.

    "We need to prioritise - wherever possible - individuals who can help safeguard that future over the long term," said the spokesman.>>>
    And I am rejecting the idiotic rationale to exclude the non-lethal alternatives.


    No, I cited the exact text for you
    Which doesn't say what you want it you.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    As I explained above, the concern about releasing captive specimens is more dependent on infectious diseases. Particularly, novel pathogens like chytrid and rana virus that remain relatively unknown until they reach catastrophic levels of infection and threaten to wipe out entire species. In the above instance, I was just making fun of your notion that a zoo environment is more dangerous than it's natural environment with active predators.
    If only science was advanced enough to test for such pathogens! Alas here we are trapped in the 1800s.

    (Pro-tip: The giraffe was found to he perfectly healthy before it was killed and animals are released safely to the wild all the time.)
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Look guys, hate to be harsh here, but there are alot of terrible things going on in the world we should be more concerned with than a ****ing Giraffe.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Look guys, hate to be harsh here, but there are alot of terrible things going on in the world we should be more concerned with than a ****ing Giraffe.
    Like what? Hmmm... <checks Jetboogieman's post history> ... hmmm... DMX boxing Zimmerman?! Bill Nye debating some preacher on evolution!?

    <Looks at Headlines Forum> Whoa... rainbow flag over Montreal City Hall?! MICHAEL SAM IS GAY!?

    Oh man.. do I feel silly now.
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