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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, she lied about that. Pfffft cover your ass with insults. Nice try.
    What can I say, if she is saying the AZA doesn't allow the culling of animals to manage genetic diversity then she is a liar

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What can I say, if she is saying the AZA doesn't allow the culling of animals to manage genetic diversity then she is a liar
    OK, you keep saying whatever it is you are saying in strictly lay mans terms. She is a college educated person working in the field. You are not.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, it was also the position of the EAZA, the organization actually managing the larger program and stud book
    According the the BBC report the decision was that of the Zoo director and the EAZA merely backed his decision:

    "The EAZA spokesman said it stood fully behind the decision by Copenhagen Zoo to euthanise Marius."

    That doesn't sound like the organization was the one calling the shots.

    actually when you join a group like the aza or EAZA these are the terms you agree to.
    Apparently not. There is nothing in the rationalization of the killing of the animal that says anything about a legal obligation to not sell the animal to an interested private zoo. It is all fear of mistreatment which is bonkers as a rationalization for killing the animal.

    I just explained that to you: there are numerous concerns from treatment, to aiding and masking smuggling programs
    That's true... you never know when you might sell an animal to someone who would just shoot it in the head.

    they are talking about future breeding events that would prevent such offspring, not about how to handle this situation
    No they weren't. It clearly states that sedation and castration had been considered but that the giraffe might break its neck.

    But let's follow your interpretation for a second, if it wasn't considered in this case then why wasn't it? You can't claim they made a rational decision and then argue they never considered an obvious alternative to killing the animal.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That doesn't sound like the organization was the one calling the shots.
    The EAZA establishes the guidlines they need to operate under. So yes, the EAZA is essentially calling th shots. And clearly culling the animal was "also the position of the EAZA"


    Apparently not. There is nothing in the rationalization of the killing of the animal that says anything about a legal obligation to not sell the animal to an interested private zoo. It is all fear of mistreatment which is bonkers as a rationalization for killing the animal.
    Do you understand how difficult it is to properly house a large animal like a Giraffe? And yes, killing the animal is much preferable to housing it in substandard and abusive conditions. It's one of the reasons we euthanize stray dogs, cats, and the various exotic animals ****heads buy as pets.

    No they weren't. It clearly states that sedation and castration had been considered but that the giraffe might break its neck.
    <<<***So why not prevent closely related animals from breeding in the first place?***

    Contraception and castration have been raised as possibilities, but both would require sedation. This is a relatively high-risk procedure in the case of giraffes, as they are liable to break their necks when they fall while sedated.

    Mr Jebram told AP that in the past few years a contraceptive has been developed that can be injected into females from a distance.

    But the EAZA spokesman said: "Contraception is in its infancy for giraffes and there are significant side-effects with certain drugs, such as irreversibility. This means we would lose vital animals in terms of breeding.

    "We have to weigh up all the considerations, but we have a limited amount of space in which to conduct this endangered species breeding programme.">>>

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    On the surface it is disturbing. But there was a reason the animal was not transferred or sold. Here is some insight.

    BBC News - Why did Copenhagen Zoo kill its giraffe?
    Yep, you can tell who reads the articles and who doesn't. It turns out no other zoo was willing to take him til right at the last. This is the part that really stood out to me and I agree with wholeheartedly....

    I know the giraffe is a nice looking animal, but I don't think there would have been such an outrage if it had been an antelope, and I don't think anyone would have lifted an eyebrow if it was a pig, Bengt Holst, the zoos scientific director, told the AP.
    The tragic death of one silly giraffe, Marius, has world in uproar - latimes.com
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yep, you can tell who reads the articles and who doesn't. It turns out no other zoo was willing to take him til right at the last.
    that really shouldn't have much bearing on anything though

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that really shouldn't have much bearing on anything though
    You're getting no disagreement from me on this topic. You're handling it fine. Enjoy because usually I'm no where near in agreement with you. I even gave you a like, miracles do happen.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    People forget that when you decide to care for animals like this you have to manage the herd or bad things will happen. Inbreeding is one of them. And I'm glad their zoo's belong to an organization that has rules in place to ensure the health and welfare of the overall population. The rules are simply the rules.

    People don't lose their **** when a bird gets killed. But when a cute dog gets put down it's game on. Animals are animals. Not to sound cold but zoo's exist because people want to go see exotic (to them) animals in captivity. Those same people must accept that population management is required, even if it has an ugly side to it at times. The fact that they fed the carcass to big cats isn't something to get upset about. The cats would have eaten him in the wild if they'd have been able to get to him and bring him down.

    I know we don't like to see this side of zoo life, but it is what it is.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    should have just neutered him if they didn't want him screwing. i heard the dude on NPR; he said killing was the only option due to undesirable genetic traits, and that the giraffe would be taking up space that a giraffe with better genes could occupy. i find it hard to believe that nobody thought that some creepy giraffe eugenics program wouldn't catch fire in the media. listening to the guy, though, it was apparent that he was probably oblivious to the potential for media scrutiny.

    if aliens ever visit here, we will be in their zoos.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    The EU is no friend to giraffes, that much is clear.

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