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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I think it was mentioned earlier that zoos, when they are art of a professional organization, like the AZA, do not "own" their animals, they simply manage them. This is to maximize breeding programs for rare, large, and difficult to keep animals. Also, zoos tend to be reluctant to release their animals into the public due to a number of concerns, from fueling the exotics market to helping mask poaching and smuggling programs.
    Not an issue when it was other zoos requesting the animal.

    PS would you care if it was a fish or a deer?
    Interesting question! I do have a hierarchy, I guess. I would care less if it was a fish than a deer and less for a deer than a giraffe. In the same way that I care more about a fish than a worm, and a worm more than an amoeba. Not all living things are the same in my view.

    With regards to the kids it's more just the unsanitary nature of splitting an animal that large open close to toddlers and having the blood run under their feet. It's just gross.

    Would you care more if it were a chimpanzee, dolphin or whale?


    Edit: I would also point out that it didn't help the zoo's PR nightmare to give the giraffe a name if they were planning to destroy it.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    As a Dane I am a shamed of my country over this.. I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. I understand the idea of preventing inbreeding and so on, but a public autopsy... that is just sick.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    [QUOTE=jmotivator;1062903437]Not an issue when it was other zoos requesting the animal.[quote]

    from the first page: <<<A spokesman for the institute, Tobias Stenbaek Bro, told AP that a significant part of EAZA membership is that the zoos don't own the animals themselves, but govern them, and therefore can't sell them to anyone outside the organisation that doesn't follow the same set of rules.

    He said the zoo had followed the recommendation of the EAZA to put down Marius because there were already a lot of giraffes with similar genes in the organisation's breeding programme.

    Bengt Holst, Copenhagen Zoo's scientific director, said it had turned down an offer from Yorkshire Wildlife Park in the UK, which is a member of EAZA, because Marius' older brother lives there and the park's space could be better used by a "genetically more valuable giraffe">>>

    Zoos outside of the EAZA would be considered the public

    Not all living things are the same in my view.
    Of course not, but a deer and giraffe are pretty similar and expect your objection is more fueled by sentimentality than anything rational

    Would you care more if it were a chimpanzee, dolphin or whale?
    No

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As a Dane I am a shamed of my country over this.. I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. I understand the idea of preventing inbreeding and so on, but a public autopsy... that is just sick.
    why? No one was forced to be there any many people would probably love attending something like that

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    He said the zoo had followed the recommendation of the EAZA to put down Marius because there were already a lot of giraffes with similar genes in the organisation's breeding programme.
    So take the giraffe off of the breeding program. Why is that so difficult?

    Bengt Holst, Copenhagen Zoo's scientific director, said it had turned down an offer from Yorkshire Wildlife Park in the UK, which is a member of EAZA, because Marius' older brother lives there and the park's space could be better used by a "genetically more valuable giraffe.
    Why is the director of the Copenhagen zoo trying to manage the Yorkshire Wildlife Park? Why can't he accept that, as a fellow EAZA member, that they can make their own accommodations based on their own facility?

    Zoos outside of the EAZA would be considered the public
    Sterilize the giraffe and send him to a private zoo. Problem solved.

    Of course not, but a deer and giraffe are pretty similar and expect your objection is more fueled by sentimentality than anything rational
    I'm fairly sentimental when it comes to all living things. I'm not a big fan of killing anything without some rational purpose. Ignoring alternatives to death is not a rational or humane way of thinking. In this case it appears like a douche bag in Copenhagen really just wanted the giraffe dead, to hell with the alternatives, and made it happen, ya know, for the kids...

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    many people would probably love attending something like that
    You can rationalize a great many horrors with that phrase.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So take the giraffe off of the breeding program. Why is that so difficult?
    I just explained this to you

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062903254



    Why is the director of the Copenhagen zoo trying to manage the Yorkshire Wildlife Park? Why can't he accept that, as a fellow EAZA member, that they can make their own accommodations based on their own facility?
    Because the idea is to manage the collection as a whole

    Sterilize the giraffe and send him to a private zoo. Problem solved.
    Do you read what you respond to? Why would you suggest selling to the public in response to a post where I am explaining why they don't engage in such practices?

    I'm fairly sentimental when it comes to all living things. I'm not a big fan of killing anything without some rational purpose.
    There was a rational purpose here

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You can rationalize a great many horrors with that phrase.
    and you can randomly label anything a horror ...

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Unless we acknowledge that zoos have limited space and resources. And that instead of housing a genetic dead end, that such space would be better utilized by a specimen of genetic value.
    There were zoos willing to take the animal though.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    why? No one was forced to be there any many people would probably love attending something like that
    The children were forced to be there. A lot of those viewing were under 10 years old.
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