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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

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    Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    "Protesters carrying banners gathered outside the zoo this morning and thousands of people signed a petition to rescue the giraffe, called Marius, after the Danish zoo announced it was planning to kill the animal because of European laws on inbreeding.

    Other zoos, including the Yorkshire wildlife park in Britain, had offered to take it in.

    But according to the Danish newspaper BT, Marius was fed some rye bread at 9.15am and was killed shortly after by a shot in the head with a bolt gun."


    Couldn't they have simply neutered the animal? And what exactly is the "threat of inbreeding" for animals in captivity? Is an inbred giraffe in a zoo something we are supposed to worry about?

    Also I find this a bit strange:

    "Live footage of his body being dissected was streamed by Ekstra Bladet, showing zoo workers wearing green rubber gloves carrying out the dissection while an announcer guided the crowd through the process and fielded questions. Some of the meat was later fed to lions at the zoo."

    I'm all for teaching kids the circle of life and all that but having kids gather around to watch a giraffe being butchers seems strange.

    Mom - "Ooh kids! get your jackets on! Wanna go see Marius gutted?!"

    Kids - "Yaaaay!"
    I'm not a big fan of unnecessary death to any being - I suppose it is honorable that they at least used the giraffe to feed the lions in the zoo, similar to the lions' diet in the wild. I still find it objectionable, however, that they allowed inbred mating in the zoo environment where such things are highly managed and then decided to destroy the product of that mismanagement.

    I would note, at the risk of being ungenerous, that there's likely a fair bit of inbreeding going on within the Danish royal family as well, as with much of the European royals, with no "culling" of that herd.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Was it tasty?
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    Yeah, the whole thing was seven levels of screwed up. Other zoos would have taken the animal, but instead let's chop him up in little pieces in front of the kids and feed the remains to the lion.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

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    Was it tasty?
    Tastes like chicken.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    insanity... heartbreaking..

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not a big fan of unnecessary death to any being - I suppose it is honorable that they at least used the giraffe to feed the lions in the zoo, similar to the lions' diet in the wild. I still find it objectionable, however, that they allowed inbred mating in the zoo environment where such things are highly managed and then decided to destroy the product of that mismanagement.

    I would note, at the risk of being ungenerous, that there's likely a fair bit of inbreeding going on within the Danish royal family as well, as with much of the European royals, with no "culling" of that herd.
    the animal itself might not be a case of inbreeding, but that any potential pairing would produce such offspring.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, if you are concerned about long term captive species management, it is definitely something you need to be concerned with
    Then "don't breed the giraffe" seems like a better solution than "shoot the giraffe".
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Then "don't breed the giraffe" seems like a better solution than "shoot the giraffe".
    Unless we acknowledge that zoos have limited space and resources. And that instead of housing a genetic dead end, that such space would be better utilized by a specimen of genetic value.

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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Unless we acknowledge that zoos have limited space and resources. And that instead of housing a genetic dead end, that such space would be better utilized by a specimen of genetic value.
    Other zoos had offered to take the giraffe. I'm not buying the excuse because the reality is that there were any number of actions the zoo could have taken but chose to kill the giraffe anyway.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    "Protesters carrying banners gathered outside the zoo this morning and thousands of people signed a petition to rescue the giraffe, called Marius, after the Danish zoo announced it was planning to kill the animal because of European laws on inbreeding.

    Other zoos, including the Yorkshire wildlife park in Britain, had offered to take it in.

    But according to the Danish newspaper BT, Marius was fed some rye bread at 9.15am and was killed shortly after by a shot in the head with a bolt gun."


    Couldn't they have simply neutered the animal? And what exactly is the "threat of inbreeding" for animals in captivity? Is an inbred giraffe in a zoo something we are supposed to worry about?

    Also I find this a bit strange:

    "Live footage of his body being dissected was streamed by Ekstra Bladet, showing zoo workers wearing green rubber gloves carrying out the dissection while an announcer guided the crowd through the process and fielded questions. Some of the meat was later fed to lions at the zoo."

    I'm all for teaching kids the circle of life and all that but having kids gather around to watch a giraffe being butchers seems strange.

    Mom - "Ooh kids! get your jackets on! Wanna go see Marius gutted?!"

    Kids - "Yaaaay!"
    Maybe they could have added it to an all male group as they have in the Netherlands, but neutering is not an option. If you leave it in the group and he then topples his dad, he will not allow other bulls to mate with his women and that would mean that he would then have to be removed from the group, because a neutered bull does not produce off spring.

    The way they killed it was a bit brutal, I think electro shocking it like they do with bulls/cattle would have been a lot better (and then maybe shooting him in the head). Euthanasia with drugs was not an option from what I know because it would have made the meat useless. The meat eating animals would not have been able to eat the meat if it had been dispatched in that manner.

    Having the kids around and showing how it was being butchered was a mistake IMHO, they should have done that without an audience. There is already a petition in Denmark to have the director of the zoo fired for his decision to kill the young giraffe.
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    Re: Copenhagen zoo sparks outrage by killing healthy giraffe named Marius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Other zoos had offered to take the giraffe. I'm not buying the excuse because the reality is that there were any number of actions the zoo could have taken but chose to kill the giraffe anyway.
    I think it was mentioned earlier that zoos, when they are art of a professional organization, like the AZA, do not "own" their animals, they simply manage them. This is to maximize breeding programs for rare, large, and difficult to keep animals. Also, zoos tend to be reluctant to release their animals into the public due to a number of concerns, from fueling the exotics market to helping mask poaching and smuggling programs.

    PS would you care if it was a fish or a deer?

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