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The Hillary Papers

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I did vote for McCain in 2008 and Georgia went for him. In 2012, I had lost total faith in Obama and I didn't trust Romney. Which one was the lesser of two evils? Regardless of who won, we still would end up with evil in the White House at least IMO. I voted for Gary Johnson for the simple reason he was the best candidate available and I wanted him to win. I wanted both Obama and Romney to lose. But I hardly ever get what I want, at least politically.

What was it that you didn't trust about Romney?
 
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McCain was an easy choice, I didn't vote for him because he was a Republican, but because I thought he was the best man for the job. I voted for Perot twice because I thought he was the best man for the job, I voted for Browne twice because I thought he was better than Gore, Kerry or Bush II. I voted for Johnson because he was the best candidate in 2012, Romney and Obama paled in comparison to him. Whoever won in 2012, it would be business as usual. Bush II and Obama have governed just about the same. If one takes off their deep red or blue colored glasses, stuff cotton into their ears to drown out the rhetoric, one would come to the conclusion that Obama is nothing more than an extenstion of Bush the way he has governed.
 
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What was it that you didn't trust about Romney?

To keep this short, basically because he did an almost complete 180 from the beliefs he held most of his life in order to run for president. This was well documented in Romney’s run against McCain in 2008. It would have been easier for me to trust him if he continued on as the Rockefeller he was up and until he decided to run for president. But a Rockefeller Republican couldn’t win the Republican nomination these days. Besides, it is hard for me to trust any politician from Massachusetts. Although I did support Paul Tsongas when he ran for the Democratic nomination back in 1992. He was a deficit hawk and was pointing out the problems our national debt would bring us. Much like Ross Perot did.
 
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The Hillary papers could certainly be described as a "hit list", and are, by our friends in the GOP.
She absolutely terrorizes the GOPea-brainers who have been after her ass since BHO got reelected.
Going after her husband tells you how desperate they are.
My new GOP alternative hope is Paul Ryan--hope that isn't the kiss of death.
He may be the only one in D.C. who truly has a handle on the economy, though I disagree with many of his priorities .
You're right, I pulled the numbers out of my head for seatbelts, flatearthers, etc. If the Democrats want my vote in 2016, I suggest they nominate Schweitzer the Montana Governor who is thinking about running, perhaps a Jay Nixon, Missouri or even maybe a Diane Finestine if you must nominate a woman. On the Republican side, a Jeb Bush or a Bobby Jindal are two I could support, not mentioned as running, a Condi Rice if they must nominate a woman but my favorite woman above all would be Susana Martinez of Governor or New Mexico.
 
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To keep this short, basically because he did an almost complete 180 from the beliefs he held most of his life in order to run for president. This was well documented in Romney’s run against McCain in 2008. It would have been easier for me to trust him if he continued on as the Rockefeller he was up and until he decided to run for president. But a Rockefeller Republican couldn’t win the Republican nomination these days. Besides, it is hard for me to trust any politician from Massachusetts. Although I did support Paul Tsongas when he ran for the Democratic nomination back in 1992. He was a deficit hawk and was pointing out the problems our national debt would bring us. Much like Ross Perot did.

Tsongas eh? Well, then I am surprised that you couldn't see your way clear to go for Romney. Those two had more in common than not....Also, it's no wonder you don't care for the Clinton's then considering what they did to him in the primaries....
 
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The Hillary papers could certainly be described as a "hit list", and are, by our friends in the GOP.
She absolutely terrorizes the GOPea-brainers who have been after her ass since BHO got reelected.
Going after her husband tells you how desperate they are.
My new GOP alternative hope is Paul Ryan--hope that isn't the kiss of death.
He may be the only one in D.C. who truly has a handle on the economy, though I disagree with many of his priorities .

I haven't paid much attention to Ryan, not since he was named VP for Romney. If the republicans want the independent vote, a must if they are even going to have a slight chance in 2016, I suggest they leave Bill Clinton alone. Among Indies, Bill is much more liked than either of his two successors. That is probably due to the simple fact, Bill represented a good economy. Then as time goes by, one tends to forget all the sexual exploits etc and only remembers the good.
 
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The Hillary papers could certainly be described as a "hit list", and are, by our friends in the GOP.
She absolutely terrorizes the GOPea-brainers who have been after her ass since BHO got reelected.
Going after her husband tells you how desperate they are.
My new GOP alternative hope is Paul Ryan--hope that isn't the kiss of death.
He may be the only one in D.C. who truly has a handle on the economy, though I disagree with many of his priorities .

Well, that'll sure invite reasoned discussion....:roll:
 
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Tsongas eh? Well, then I am surprised that you couldn't see your way clear to go for Romney. Those two had more in common than not....Also, it's no wonder you don't care for the Clinton's then considering what they did to him in the primaries....

Basically I would classify myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal with some populist thrown in. Although I never liked Bill Clinton during this time as president, I have come to realize he was a much better president than either Bush or Obama. At least in my opinion. I would rank Bush and Obama down near the bottom of all the presidents I have personally experienced and I go back to Eisenhower. Perhaps only Ford and maybe Carter would rank lower than Bush and Obama. Yes, that does mean I would rank Nixon above those four.
 
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Bolding three words out of five lines of reasoned thought.
Didn't you do that to me once before?
Well, that'll sure invite reasoned discussion....:roll:
Focus on the good stuff, like my compliments towards Rep. Ryan.

And, what would you call Democratic attacks on a woman just after the POTUS was reelected.
Personally attacking her husband may have short-term gain for Rand Paul in the GOP primaries, but what level of discussion is that for a Senator?
If you're against H. Clinton, R. Paul just helped the Clinton cause by DEMs and independent women circling the wagons.

Now, if you can do better than SIX words of snark, please respond to the quality points I've made in both of my recent posts here .
 
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Basically I would classify myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal with some populist thrown in. Although I never liked Bill Clinton during this time as president, I have come to realize he was a much better president than either Bush or Obama. At least in my opinion. I would rank Bush and Obama down near the bottom of all the presidents I have personally experienced and I go back to Eisenhower. Perhaps only Ford and maybe Carter would rank lower than Bush and Obama. Yes, that does mean I would rank Nixon above those four.

I've always marveled at those who can lump fiscal conservatism in with social liberalism, they are at odds with each other...As for Clinton, he was going down the same path as Obama is now, and if it were not for the republican take over of congress in his second term, and his practical realization that he needed to be concerned about his legacy, then he would have marched down the same path as horrible presidents like Carter. It is interesting though that today we see many of the same levels in the economic terms that were present during Carter....That was a miserable time....
 
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I haven't paid much attention to Ryan, not since he was named VP for Romney.
Well, Rep. Ryan is about the only GOP I even trust on the economy BECAUSE he understands it.
You didn't hear about the December budget talks because they were in "PRIVATE", about the only way to get things done these days.
The agreement on the budget saves the GOP from itself through Mr. Obama's term .
 
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I've always marveled at those who can lump fiscal conservatism in with social liberalism, they are at odds with each other..
The two issues are completely unrelated, hence the term Libertarian.
Rand Paul simply dances the two-step on social issues, being careful with the TEA-extremers.
Mr. Paul's ideas on immigration are closer to Sen. Rubios's, which ended his POTUS chances .
 
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I've always marveled at those who can lump fiscal conservatism in with social liberalism, they are at odds with each other...As for Clinton, he was going down the same path as Obama is now, and if it were not for the republican take over of congress in his second term, and his practical realization that he needed to be concerned about his legacy, then he would have marched down the same path as horrible presidents like Carter. It is interesting though that today we see many of the same levels in the economic terms that were present during Carter....That was a miserable time....

I don't think so. I believe in a balanced budget, through spending cuts and raising taxes if both are required and with trillion dollar deficits, both are indeed needed. I also see nothing wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Let each individual woman decide what is good for her. The third tenet of a traditional conservative was: Small Government - Keeping government out of a citizens private business and lives. How anyone, any individual decides to live their life I feel is up to them. That is as long as they are not harming others. I do believe we have way too many regulations and mandates on business which is one reason more and more companies are moving overseas. I think you will find what I believe here also describes the biggest block in the independent ranks. I do not classify myself an independent, I am a member of the Reform Party. But I do think middle America would like the debt brought under control, the fiscal conservativness of them along being with letting a woman choose whether or not to have an abortion and for letting gay marry if they so want.
 
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Well, Rep. Ryan is about the only GOP I even trust on the economy BECAUSE he understands it.
You didn't hear about the December budget talks because they were in "PRIVATE", about the only way to get things done these days.
The agreement on the budget saves the GOP from itself through Mr. Obama's term .

I also heard on the news during lunch that now Boehner is going to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill tonight in the house and he hopes all the Democrats will vote for it, but he may have a problem finding 18 GOP votes. The Republicans are so divided they couldn't come up with a thing that they agreed on to attach to the debt ceiling bill. Not Keystone, not military retiree cola, not doing away with the insurance company bail out to come, nothing. Gee, it sure does seem the Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will blow the senate, I have no doubt.
 
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As for Clinton, he was going down the same path as Obama is now,
and if it were not for the republican take over of congress in his second term..
Both the House and Senate flipped in 1994, half-way during the "FIRST" Term.
Just trying to help you with the facts .
 
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I also heard on the news during lunch that now Boehner is going to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill tonight in the house and he hopes all the Democrats will vote for it, but he may have a problem finding 18 GOP votes.
Mr. Boehner is being given a pass in the House right now for breaking the "Hastert" rule.
The GOP realizes that shutting gov't or threatening default hurts them much more than the DEMs for the elections.
The Republicans are so divided they couldn't come up with a thing that they agreed on to attach to the debt ceiling bill. Not Keystone, not military retiree cola, not doing away with the insurance company bail out to come, nothing.
The GOP House knows what it wants to do.
It just can't do it with a DEM Senate and Mr. Obama.
Gee, it sure does seem the Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will blow the senate, I have no doubt.
I totally disagree.
The GOP has run a flawless campaign so far, with only a few GOPs going off the rails.
I truly believe there is a gag order in and it is still holding.
The nasty primaries are the DEMs only hope.
It is never good to have your hopes riding on the other guy screwing up .
 
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I also heard on the news during lunch that now Boehner is going to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill tonight in the house and he hopes all the Democrats will vote for it, but he may have a problem finding 18 GOP votes. The Republicans are so divided they couldn't come up with a thing that they agreed on to attach to the debt ceiling bill. Not Keystone, not military retiree cola, not doing away with the insurance company bail out to come, nothing. Gee, it sure does seem the Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will blow the senate, I have no doubt.

If the Democrats also attach nothing, then it's fair. Why do we need to attach anything to every damn bill that comes up? Both sides gleefully try to do it every time, though! Vote on what is presented, and handle the rest separately! If they don't have time, try something radical like cutting down on all the recesses they have scheduled, and handle the country's problems instead!
 
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Bolding three words out of five lines of reasoned thought.

"reasoned thought"???? What is reasoned about calling snarky little names? It's childish...

Didn't you do that to me once before?

Do what? Point out a dumb name you used? I don't know...

Focus on the good stuff, like my compliments towards Rep. Ryan.

So, you see what you "hope" is a compliment? How's that work?

And, what would you call Democratic attacks on a woman just after the POTUS was reelected.

The oval office bathroom during the Clinton Presidency? :mrgreen:

Personally attacking her husband may have short-term gain for Rand Paul in the GOP primaries, but what level of discussion is that for a Senator?

Political.

If you're against H. Clinton, R. Paul just helped the Clinton cause by DEMs and independent women circling the wagons.

Yes, yes, we know...Conservatives are against women, against the elderly, against the poor, they're racists, and greedy too....:roll: Honestly, If the demo's want to continue to look like hypocrites who am I to stand in their way?

Now, if you can do better than SIX words of snark, please respond to the quality points I've made in both of my recent posts here .

I am still waiting for a "quality point"....
 
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Mr. Boehner is being given a pass in the House right now for breaking the "Hastert" rule.
The GOP realizes that shutting gov't or threatening default hurts them much more than the DEMs for the elections.

The GOP House knows what it wants to do.
It just can't do it with a DEM Senate and Mr. Obama.

I totally disagree.
The GOP has run a flawless campaign so far, with only a few GOPs going off the rails.
I truly believe there is a gag order in and it is still holding.
The nasty primaries are the DEMs only hope.
It is never good to have your hopes riding on the other guy screwing up .

You know my blogs, as I see it today the republicans will pick up 5 seats. Well a net gain of 5 seats. If not for the ACA, Landrieu, Hagan, Pryor, all who I have losing would have been safe. Only WV, MT and SD would go into the GOP column without the ACA and WV is not a certain thing. With the ACA such other states as Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire and Iowa may or may not come into play. Michigan is in play and I have it going to Republican Land to replace Democrat Levin. The loss of Democratic voters from Detroit to other places in the U.S. may have as much to do with Michigan as with the ACA, but the ACA is very disliked there, 35% in favor, 55% against.

When a political party tells those who voted for them, who elected them to Washington to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine and vote against their wishes, desires etc, that they let them know exactly what their desires were. That party deserves to pay a price.
 
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I do not recall a failed Vice-Presidential nominee ever being elected President.
You have one right now in the GOP who has a brain .
"All the two major parties has to do is get their act together and nominate someone reasonable and I will vote for them at the presidential level" ... and thus, rather than the lesser of two evils, we get Barack Obama.
Although I do understand the sentiment.
 
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If the Democrats also attach nothing, then it's fair. Why do we need to attach anything to every damn bill that comes up? Both sides gleefully try to do it every time, though! Vote on what is presented, and handle the rest separately! If they don't have time, try something radical like cutting down on all the recesses they have scheduled, and handle the country's problems instead!

History has shown the party out of power always attached something they wanted to the debt ceiling bill. But there is no problem in a clean bill with me. Get it done so we can proceed with the election.

Time to go pick up the granddaughter. I shall return
 
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I don't think so. I believe in a balanced budget, through spending cuts and raising taxes if both are required and with trillion dollar deficits, both are indeed needed. I also see nothing wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Let each individual woman decide what is good for her. The third tenet of a traditional conservative was: Small Government - Keeping government out of a citizens private business and lives. How anyone, any individual decides to live their life I feel is up to them. That is as long as they are not harming others. I do believe we have way too many regulations and mandates on business which is one reason more and more companies are moving overseas. I think you will find what I believe here also describes the biggest block in the independent ranks. I do not classify myself an independent, I am a member of the Reform Party. But I do think middle America would like the debt brought under control, the fiscal conservativness of them along being with letting a woman choose whether or not to have an abortion and for letting gay marry if they so want.

We can probably have agreement on the issues you listed, all but abortion that is....The more we learn, the more we know that abortion is being used to kill babies as a form of birth control, for irresponsible behavior.
 
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I don't think so. I believe in a balanced budget, through spending cuts and raising taxes if both are required and with trillion dollar deficits, both are indeed needed. I also see nothing wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Let each individual woman decide what is good for her. The third tenet of a traditional conservative was: Small Government - Keeping government out of a citizens private business and lives. How anyone, any individual decides to live their life I feel is up to them. That is as long as they are not harming others..

And so by your three tenets of good government--balanced budget--social libertarian--small government--
the GOP has failed miserably since 1994 .
 
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The more we learn, the more we know that abortion is being used to kill babies as a form of birth control, for irresponsible behavior.

Then you should be all in on helping with adoption, foster care, and throw-away children "after" they are born.
 
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