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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Because, Pero, being "aloof, vindictive, and knowing what is best for people" IS a Democrat Party thing much more than any other mainstream Party.
    I think Cheney missed that memo.
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think Cheney missed that memo.
    Of course he did ... it was a fyeo in Dem circles.

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

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    We can probably have agreement on the issues you listed, all but abortion that is....The more we learn, the more we know that abortion is being used to kill babies as a form of birth control, for irresponsible behavior.
    I agree that using abortion as birth control is wrong. But so too is bring babies into a world by a parent/s that do not want a kid. In a perfect world abortion would not be needed, every baby born would be born to a caring and loving parents that wanted the child. But we live in a fairly evil world. As when voting between a Republican and a Democrat, abortion may be the lesser of two evils.

    Regardless, if a woman chooses to have one I do not feel I am the one who should have the authority to say she can or can't have one. I do not feel anyone else besides the woman should have that authority. The decision should be up to the woman. It sort of is like walking in her shoes.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And so by your three tenets of good government--balanced budget--social libertarian--small government--
    the GOP has failed miserably since 1994 .
    So too has the Democrats and hence my Reform Party Label. The Democrats totally ignore the debt and deficits like they do not even exists. They, the Democrats place way too many regulations and mandates on business in my opinion and of course the ACA which is really a sore spot with me. I choose my candidates on their political philosopy which comes the closest to mine and what I determine their trust factor. In other words I will not vote for a candidate even if that candidate expresses his views as the same as mine if I feel I can't trust him or if I think he is lying just to get elected.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Not that I doubt your word, but can you give me an example of DEMs demanding a legislative rider for a debt ceiling increase during Bush-43.
    As well, since DEMs voted no on debt ceiling increases during Bush, how are they any less concerned about the debt than the GOP doing the same thing now ?
    I never said they weren't. The party out of power always seem to vote against raising the debt ceiling as it is their way of saying they realize the dangers of the ever accumulating debt and can vote no without any responsibility for their vote. I hope I said that right. How can you as a Senator, Senator Obama say that raising the debt limit is unpatriotic and vote no, then as president say the debt ceiling must be raised. Hypocrite, yes in a way. But as a senator, Obama didn't have to govern. He could say these things and vote no because he didn't have to govern.

    In a perfect world there would be no need to raise the debt ceiling as the budget would be balanced and we as a nation would not be spending more than we take in. We would have a surplus every year and a nest egg for when bad times hits.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree that using abortion as birth control is wrong. But so too is bring babies into a world by a parent/s that do not want a kid. In a perfect world abortion would not be needed, every baby born would be born to a caring and loving parents that wanted the child. But we live in a fairly evil world. As when voting between a Republican and a Democrat, abortion may be the lesser of two evils.

    Regardless, if a woman chooses to have one I do not feel I am the one who should have the authority to say she can or can't have one. I do not feel anyone else besides the woman should have that authority. The decision should be up to the woman. It sort of is like walking in her shoes.
    No one that I know of that is against contraceptive abortion is putting forth any authority to tell a woman what she can do with her body, only that it is common knowledge that the act of unprotected sex, can and in many cases will end up with a pregnancy. So, if we are to make adult decisions to have sex, then we also accept the responsibility to accept the consequence of that actions results. If a criminal commits an act of violence against a pregnant woman, and during that course of events the pregnancy is terminated, the criminal is charged with murder....The double standard that exists is one of social acceptance, not of much difference in the manner in which the outcome is an unborn child's death....I don't, and probably will never condone abortionists practicing their trade, it is one of murder in my mind.
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No one that I know of that is against contraceptive abortion is putting forth any authority to tell a woman what she can do with her body, only that it is common knowledge that the act of unprotected sex, can and in many cases will end up with a pregnancy. So, if we are to make adult decisions to have sex, then we also accept the responsibility to accept the consequence of that actions results. If a criminal commits an act of violence against a pregnant woman, and during that course of events the pregnancy is terminated, the criminal is charged with murder....The double standard that exists is one of social acceptance, not of much difference in the manner in which the outcome is an unborn child's death....I don't, and probably will never condone abortionists practicing their trade, it is one of murder in my mind.
    The mores of America has changed quite a lot since I was a kid growing up in the 50's. Back then if a woman had a child out of wedlock both were scorned. It was looked down upon, unacceptable as a norm of society. I am sure abortions happened back then, one just didn't hear of them. But then again I was a country kid and didn't live in the big bad city. I think in a couple of hundred years the society of the future will look back on ours as we look back on the ancient societies that perform human sacrifices.

    But even if a woman has unprotected sex due to whatever reason and not taking responsiblilty for that action, it is still wrong to bring an unwanted and unloved child into the world that would probably have to suffer. Making one to do that isn't right. One has to also remember we live in a time where being responsible for ones action is on the way out, it is always someone else's fault for the wrong decisions and actions one takes. It is his environment, his parents, it is always something besides the individual himself. Until we can somehow get back to holding each individual responsible for their own decisions and actions, this society is headed down the wrong path.

    I think where we disagree is on the murder portion. If there is a god and judgement day, the woman who had the abortion along with the doctor shall truly pay in the after life. But we humans on earth do not have the power of judgement over them.
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    Re: The Hillary Papers

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You have to read this one.

    “What voters find slick in Bill Clinton, they find ruthless in Hillary.”
    “HRC insists, no matter what people say, it was gross inappropriate behavior but it was consensual (was not a power relationship) and was not sex within any real meaning (standup, liedown, oral, etc.) of the term.”
    “At dinner, [Hillary] to [Bill] at length on the complexities of health care—thinks managed competition a crock; single-payer necessary; maybe add to Medicare,”
    In an interview with the New York Times as she ran for president in 2008, Hillary Clinton said she had never seriously considered adopting a single-payer system, in which the government, using funds appropriated from taxpayers, pays for all health care expenses.
    “You know, I have thought about this, as you might guess, for 15 years and,” said Clinton in the interview.

    The Hillary Papers | Washington Free Beacon

    Anyone who wants to dismiss the Monica factor vis-a-vis Hillary should read it for what it says about HRC.
    Progressives would rather vote for a fragile woman who knew her husband was cheating than vote libertarian

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    For one thing I am not a Republican, I belong to the Reform Party. Second I never cared for Delay, Cruz, Santorum and never voted for Bush II, prefering Browne in both elections as I also didn't like Gore or Kerry. Hillary does comes across as a vindictive B......, She IMO is a lot closer to Nixon than her husband Bill. Bill to me was a good ole southern boy and one I could relate to. If I could chose any president to have a beer with, Bill would be that president. Hillary comes across as a northeastener whinny whatever. But these are just my opinions. I never trusted Romney and didn't vote for him either, Mr. Flip Flop king.

    Why does everyone try to make these things party things? I am talking individuals regardless of party. I do not want another Nixon in the white house and Hillary I think would be another Nixon.
    Actually I was making it a man vs woman thing. I don't think ANY current politician on the national stage holds a candle to Trickie Dickie Nixon. He is a benchmark so few can come close to and still make it to the upper tier for serious consideration. Caine maybe but he crashed and burned before a real test of his vindictiveness could be seen.

    my point was a man can do EVERYTHING most in here claim to see in Hillary and it is just a hard charger, blunt, pays hard ball kinda guy. A WOMAN does it and she is a vindictive bitch...

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No one that I know of that is against contraceptive abortion is putting forth any authority to tell a woman what she can do with her body, only that it is common knowledge that the act of unprotected sex, can and in many cases will end up with a pregnancy. So, if we are to make adult decisions to have sex, then we also accept the responsibility to accept the consequence of that actions results. If a criminal commits an act of violence against a pregnant woman, and during that course of events the pregnancy is terminated, the criminal is charged with murder....The double standard that exists is one of social acceptance, not of much difference in the manner in which the outcome is an unborn child's death....I don't, and probably will never condone abortionists practicing their trade, it is one of murder in my mind.
    It is notable that the vast majority of conservatives are anti-abortion, even though the children they're trying to save will not grow up in conservative families by and large, and will likely never vote conservatively.

    Conservatives often vote against their self interests in that regard. On the contrary, do liberals support anything that isn't self-serving to them in the end? Nothing comes to mind.

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