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    I do not recall a failed Vice-Presidential nominee ever being elected President.
    You have one right now in the GOP who has a brain .
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    "All the two major parties has to do is get their act together and nominate someone reasonable and I will vote for them at the presidential level" ... and thus, rather than the lesser of two evils, we get Barack Obama.
    Although I do understand the sentiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    If the Democrats also attach nothing, then it's fair. Why do we need to attach anything to every damn bill that comes up? Both sides gleefully try to do it every time, though! Vote on what is presented, and handle the rest separately! If they don't have time, try something radical like cutting down on all the recesses they have scheduled, and handle the country's problems instead!
    History has shown the party out of power always attached something they wanted to the debt ceiling bill. But there is no problem in a clean bill with me. Get it done so we can proceed with the election.

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    I don't think so. I believe in a balanced budget, through spending cuts and raising taxes if both are required and with trillion dollar deficits, both are indeed needed. I also see nothing wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Let each individual woman decide what is good for her. The third tenet of a traditional conservative was: Small Government - Keeping government out of a citizens private business and lives. How anyone, any individual decides to live their life I feel is up to them. That is as long as they are not harming others. I do believe we have way too many regulations and mandates on business which is one reason more and more companies are moving overseas. I think you will find what I believe here also describes the biggest block in the independent ranks. I do not classify myself an independent, I am a member of the Reform Party. But I do think middle America would like the debt brought under control, the fiscal conservativness of them along being with letting a woman choose whether or not to have an abortion and for letting gay marry if they so want.
    We can probably have agreement on the issues you listed, all but abortion that is....The more we learn, the more we know that abortion is being used to kill babies as a form of birth control, for irresponsible behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't think so. I believe in a balanced budget, through spending cuts and raising taxes if both are required and with trillion dollar deficits, both are indeed needed. I also see nothing wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Let each individual woman decide what is good for her. The third tenet of a traditional conservative was: Small Government - Keeping government out of a citizens private business and lives. How anyone, any individual decides to live their life I feel is up to them. That is as long as they are not harming others..
    And so by your three tenets of good government--balanced budget--social libertarian--small government--
    the GOP has failed miserably since 1994 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The more we learn, the more we know that abortion is being used to kill babies as a form of birth control, for irresponsible behavior.
    Then you should be all in on helping with adoption, foster care, and throw-away children "after" they are born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    History has shown the party out of power always attached something they wanted to the debt ceiling bill.
    Not that I doubt your word, but can you give me an example of DEMs demanding a legislative rider for a debt ceiling increase during Bush-43.
    As well, since DEMs voted no on debt ceiling increases during Bush, how are they any less concerned about the debt than the GOP doing the same thing now ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Then you should be all in on helping with adoption, foster care, and throw-away children "after" they are born.
    As an adpoted child myself, yes...That is a better alternative. Are you for abortion after 24 weeks?
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    I'd prefer to stay with my positive alternatives.
    I was with a couple last night who were right there with the birth mother when she conceived a baby girl.
    They were chosen by the teen-aged girl after an interview process.
    They also adopted a young foster boy.
    The two children are 6 and 4 and well on their way to great lives.
    The 1st grade boy was reading and bragging about how high into 2nd grade level he is.
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    As an adpoted child myself, yes...That is a better alternative. Are you for abortion after 24 weeks?
    As for your question, I do NOT support Abortion after 24 weeks.
    I do believe the adoption families could and do intercede with the pregnant girl and House, Pre-Natal care and Educate her through the pregnancy .
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'd prefer to stay with my positive alternatives.
    What is positive about killing a child in the womb?
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I do not recall a failed Vice-Presidential nominee ever being elected President.
    You have one right now in the GOP who has a brain .
    You're thinking Ryan and yes, he does.

    ... it was a non-sequitor but that doesn't change in any way the damage done when you fail to vote for the lesser of 2 evils ... in fact it calls attention to it since we would have had Vice President Paul Ryan instead of a guy who says stuff like ...

    "Folks, I can tell you I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately." &
    "I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you." &
    "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."

    Well ... maybe that last one shows a flash of candor, at least.

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