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    Basically I would classify myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal with some populist thrown in. Although I never liked Bill Clinton during this time as president, I have come to realize he was a much better president than either Bush or Obama. At least in my opinion. I would rank Bush and Obama down near the bottom of all the presidents I have personally experienced and I go back to Eisenhower. Perhaps only Ford and maybe Carter would rank lower than Bush and Obama. Yes, that does mean I would rank Nixon above those four.
    I've always marveled at those who can lump fiscal conservatism in with social liberalism, they are at odds with each other...As for Clinton, he was going down the same path as Obama is now, and if it were not for the republican take over of congress in his second term, and his practical realization that he needed to be concerned about his legacy, then he would have marched down the same path as horrible presidents like Carter. It is interesting though that today we see many of the same levels in the economic terms that were present during Carter....That was a miserable time....
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I haven't paid much attention to Ryan, not since he was named VP for Romney.
    Well, Rep. Ryan is about the only GOP I even trust on the economy BECAUSE he understands it.
    You didn't hear about the December budget talks because they were in "PRIVATE", about the only way to get things done these days.
    The agreement on the budget saves the GOP from itself through Mr. Obama's term .
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I've always marveled at those who can lump fiscal conservatism in with social liberalism, they are at odds with each other..
    The two issues are completely unrelated, hence the term Libertarian.
    Rand Paul simply dances the two-step on social issues, being careful with the TEA-extremers.
    Mr. Paul's ideas on immigration are closer to Sen. Rubios's, which ended his POTUS chances .
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I've always marveled at those who can lump fiscal conservatism in with social liberalism, they are at odds with each other...As for Clinton, he was going down the same path as Obama is now, and if it were not for the republican take over of congress in his second term, and his practical realization that he needed to be concerned about his legacy, then he would have marched down the same path as horrible presidents like Carter. It is interesting though that today we see many of the same levels in the economic terms that were present during Carter....That was a miserable time....
    I don't think so. I believe in a balanced budget, through spending cuts and raising taxes if both are required and with trillion dollar deficits, both are indeed needed. I also see nothing wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Let each individual woman decide what is good for her. The third tenet of a traditional conservative was: Small Government - Keeping government out of a citizens private business and lives. How anyone, any individual decides to live their life I feel is up to them. That is as long as they are not harming others. I do believe we have way too many regulations and mandates on business which is one reason more and more companies are moving overseas. I think you will find what I believe here also describes the biggest block in the independent ranks. I do not classify myself an independent, I am a member of the Reform Party. But I do think middle America would like the debt brought under control, the fiscal conservativness of them along being with letting a woman choose whether or not to have an abortion and for letting gay marry if they so want.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Well, Rep. Ryan is about the only GOP I even trust on the economy BECAUSE he understands it.
    You didn't hear about the December budget talks because they were in "PRIVATE", about the only way to get things done these days.
    The agreement on the budget saves the GOP from itself through Mr. Obama's term .
    I also heard on the news during lunch that now Boehner is going to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill tonight in the house and he hopes all the Democrats will vote for it, but he may have a problem finding 18 GOP votes. The Republicans are so divided they couldn't come up with a thing that they agreed on to attach to the debt ceiling bill. Not Keystone, not military retiree cola, not doing away with the insurance company bail out to come, nothing. Gee, it sure does seem the Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will blow the senate, I have no doubt.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As for Clinton, he was going down the same path as Obama is now,
    and if it were not for the republican take over of congress in his second term..
    Both the House and Senate flipped in 1994, half-way during the "FIRST" Term.
    Just trying to help you with the facts .
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I also heard on the news during lunch that now Boehner is going to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill tonight in the house and he hopes all the Democrats will vote for it, but he may have a problem finding 18 GOP votes.
    Mr. Boehner is being given a pass in the House right now for breaking the "Hastert" rule.
    The GOP realizes that shutting gov't or threatening default hurts them much more than the DEMs for the elections.
    The Republicans are so divided they couldn't come up with a thing that they agreed on to attach to the debt ceiling bill. Not Keystone, not military retiree cola, not doing away with the insurance company bail out to come, nothing.
    The GOP House knows what it wants to do.
    It just can't do it with a DEM Senate and Mr. Obama.
    Gee, it sure does seem the Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will blow the senate, I have no doubt.
    I totally disagree.
    The GOP has run a flawless campaign so far, with only a few GOPs going off the rails.
    I truly believe there is a gag order in and it is still holding.
    The nasty primaries are the DEMs only hope.
    It is never good to have your hopes riding on the other guy screwing up .
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I also heard on the news during lunch that now Boehner is going to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill tonight in the house and he hopes all the Democrats will vote for it, but he may have a problem finding 18 GOP votes. The Republicans are so divided they couldn't come up with a thing that they agreed on to attach to the debt ceiling bill. Not Keystone, not military retiree cola, not doing away with the insurance company bail out to come, nothing. Gee, it sure does seem the Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will blow the senate, I have no doubt.
    If the Democrats also attach nothing, then it's fair. Why do we need to attach anything to every damn bill that comes up? Both sides gleefully try to do it every time, though! Vote on what is presented, and handle the rest separately! If they don't have time, try something radical like cutting down on all the recesses they have scheduled, and handle the country's problems instead!

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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Bolding three words out of five lines of reasoned thought.
    "reasoned thought"???? What is reasoned about calling snarky little names? It's childish...

    Didn't you do that to me once before?
    Do what? Point out a dumb name you used? I don't know...

    Focus on the good stuff, like my compliments towards Rep. Ryan.
    So, you see what you "hope" is a compliment? How's that work?

    And, what would you call Democratic attacks on a woman just after the POTUS was reelected.
    The oval office bathroom during the Clinton Presidency?

    Personally attacking her husband may have short-term gain for Rand Paul in the GOP primaries, but what level of discussion is that for a Senator?
    Political.

    If you're against H. Clinton, R. Paul just helped the Clinton cause by DEMs and independent women circling the wagons.
    Yes, yes, we know...Conservatives are against women, against the elderly, against the poor, they're racists, and greedy too.... Honestly, If the demo's want to continue to look like hypocrites who am I to stand in their way?

    Now, if you can do better than SIX words of snark, please respond to the quality points I've made in both of my recent posts here .
    I am still waiting for a "quality point"....
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    Re: HILLARY EXPOSED (yuck)

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Mr. Boehner is being given a pass in the House right now for breaking the "Hastert" rule.
    The GOP realizes that shutting gov't or threatening default hurts them much more than the DEMs for the elections.

    The GOP House knows what it wants to do.
    It just can't do it with a DEM Senate and Mr. Obama.

    I totally disagree.
    The GOP has run a flawless campaign so far, with only a few GOPs going off the rails.
    I truly believe there is a gag order in and it is still holding.
    The nasty primaries are the DEMs only hope.
    It is never good to have your hopes riding on the other guy screwing up .
    You know my blogs, as I see it today the republicans will pick up 5 seats. Well a net gain of 5 seats. If not for the ACA, Landrieu, Hagan, Pryor, all who I have losing would have been safe. Only WV, MT and SD would go into the GOP column without the ACA and WV is not a certain thing. With the ACA such other states as Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire and Iowa may or may not come into play. Michigan is in play and I have it going to Republican Land to replace Democrat Levin. The loss of Democratic voters from Detroit to other places in the U.S. may have as much to do with Michigan as with the ACA, but the ACA is very disliked there, 35% in favor, 55% against.

    When a political party tells those who voted for them, who elected them to Washington to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine and vote against their wishes, desires etc, that they let them know exactly what their desires were. That party deserves to pay a price.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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