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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Cost/benefit analysis. You can have fairly reliable power at the current rates or much more reliable power at much higher rates.
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    Oh I agree....The story's headline already sets up to guide us exactly into that direction....When in the story they describe this as an act of "domestic terrorism", then you look at the head line and see "preparation for an act of war" they clearly are planting the seed of thought of the possibility of the US military at war with its own citizens.
    Since this is the private sector - yet the need for power is and can be quickly assumed an issue of "national security". I think ttwtt hit the nail on the head... the CBA of hardening an infrastructure needs to be recognized first and one sub station hit won't pass the red face test of spending even a paltry 2 billion. We need dozens of these things to happen, at least tens of thousands of people sickened by a biological threat to justify expenditures, whereas, we blow ten times that amount of money on wasteful government pork projects every year with no justification. Why be proactive when reactive gets more votes.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Cost/benefit analysis. You can have fairly reliable power at the current rates or much more reliable power at much higher rates.
    With a population of 300 million, 2 billion is like $7 each.

    Not so much really.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Since this is the private sector - yet the need for power is and can be quickly assumed an issue of "national security". I think ttwtt hit the nail on the head... the CBA of hardening an infrastructure needs to be recognized first and one sub station hit won't pass the red face test of spending even a paltry 2 billion. We need dozens of these things to happen, at least tens of thousands of people sickened by a biological threat to justify expenditures, whereas, we blow ten times that amount of money on wasteful government pork projects every year with no justification. Why be proactive when reactive gets more votes.
    Our congress critters mainly care about two things; getting campaign cash and getting re-elected. Unless hardening the grid gets them added campaign cash or not doing so costs them votes then it will not happen.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    When I first heard of this I thought it was probably kids doing what kids sometimes do but when I read that the casings were wiped free of prints I changed my mind. Sounds like terrorist to me.

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Making transformers bullet proof, or placing them under constant guard, is not in the same league as having working breakers installed to prevent damage from short circuits. Perhaps we can simply make "gun free zones" around the transformers, arresting any that happen to drive/walk by them (within 1000 feet?) while armed - after all, that keeps our schools safe.
    I've actually done realtime testing on the effects of shooting some this equipment will a shotgun. It's too easy to destroy bu tree, if it survives jt's good enough in many instances.

    And please no more gun-free zones

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When I first heard of this I thought it was probably kids doing what kids sometimes do but when I read that the casings were wiped free of prints I changed my mind. Sounds like terrorist to me.
    where did you read the casings were wiped free of prints, and just how does one determine that vs say using gloves to not leave prints?

    I just ran through the reports of the vandalism on april 16th and after- no mention of recovered casings, caliber, and only 5 transformers damaged.

    But please tell us where you read the casing bit?

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

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    where did you read the casings were wiped free of prints, and just how does one determine that vs say using gloves to not leave prints?

    I just ran through the reports of the vandalism on april 16th and after- no mention of recovered casings, caliber, and only 5 transformers damaged.

    But please tell us where you read the casing bit?
    Seems there were 17 transformers broken, phone lines cut in 19 minutes of shooting and it took 27 days to repair. The energy bosses think it's terrorism.

    Energy bosses think 2013 sniper attack on a California electrical substation was terrorism - NY Daily News
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    [QUOTE=notquiteright;1062903979]where did you read the casings were wiped free of prints, and just how does one determine that vs say using gloves to not leave prints?

    I just ran through the reports of the vandalism on april 16th and after- no mention of recovered casings, caliber, and only 5 transformers damaged.

    But please tell us where you read the casing bit?[/QUOTE]


    It was in The Wall street journal but I can link to it hear easier.

    "Nearly a year later and FBI officials in San Francisco tell the WSJ, the Bureau doesn’t think a terrorist organization was behind the attack, but they are “continuing to sift through the evidence.” PG&E’s official statement claimed it was the work of vandals, but made no mention of the nearly 100 fingerprint-free shell casings that were found at the scene. Former FERC chairmain Jon Wellinghoff, meanwhile, saw fit to go public with the details after military experts confirmed the scene looks like a professional job.

    Snipers Attacked A Silicon Valley Power Station Last Year, Destroying Power Transformers | Earth First! Newswire

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Wasn't Enron responsible for more people being without power ?

    Tapes: Enron plotted to shut down power plant
    Move came day that rolling blackouts hit California, utility says

    Thursday, February 3, 2005 Posted: 11:28 PM EST (0428 GMT)

    (CNN) -- A Washington state utility released audiotapes Thursday that it said revealed bankrupt energy trader Enron Corp. plotted to take a power plant off-line in 2001 to jack up electric prices in Western states.

    That same day, shortages of power forced rolling blackouts in northern California that affected about 2 million customers....
    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/enron.tapes/


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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    If this is indeed an act of 'domestic terror' then I think it's pretty clear who....Extreme enviro-terrorist. These people are dangerous while trying to force their agenda down everyone else's throat.

    The FBI has credited to eco-terrorism 300 million dollars in property damage from 2003 and 2008

    Eco-terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This was a 5 year span, 6 years ago....Given the cost these nuts do, it may be necessary to consider us 'at war' with them....They obviously think they are 'at war' with us.
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