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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for printing this here. I would like to know much more about this.

    as an aside, after 911 and all the attention to air travel and security, it amazed me that low tech terrorism would be much much more difficult to fight and stop and the damage could be far more devastating and widespread. Imagine what five pairs of terrorist could do with a moderate supply of gasoline and matches in our national park system some summer. You could literally burn them to the ground especially if you coordinated many attacks at once. There has to be other easy targets like that also and perhaps this story about the power grid is one such example.
    I don't doubt that some of the massive wildfires that have occurred here and elsewhere in the world were intentionally set.

    I remember wondering as a kid what would happen if someone threw a hand full of metal coat hangers or several spools of wire into a power sub-station. It seemed way too easy even then.

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    I heard a congress critter talking this weekend about it, and mentioning that initially it would take about $2 Billion to harden our grid. Politicians piss that much away during breakfast these days, what have they been doing?
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I heard a congress critter talking this weekend about it, and mentioning that initially it would take about $2 Billion to harden our grid. Politicians piss that much away during breakfast these days, what have they been doing?
    Waiting for the 'terrorists' to make their move so they (the Pols) can finish off our rights and freedoms.

    How about some sort of advisories about "if you see people shooting at power lines or sub-stations" please contact authorities.

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Waiting for the 'terrorists' to make their move so they (the Pols) can finish off our rights and freedoms.
    Oh I agree....The story's headline already sets up to guide us exactly into that direction....When in the story they describe this as an act of "domestic terrorism", then you look at the head line and see "preparation for an act of war" they clearly are planting the seed of thought of the possibility of the US military at war with its own citizens.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I heard a congress critter talking this weekend about it, and mentioning that initially it would take about $2 Billion to harden our grid. Politicians piss that much away during breakfast these days, what have they been doing?
    Just why do "we" need a $2 billion (at least) federal solution to a breaking news "terrorist" problem that happened last April in one CA location? Since spending ZERO has apparently "prevented" this from happening before (or after) that single incident then why not try that for another decade or so?
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Just why do "we" need a $2 billion (at least) federal solution to a breaking news "terrorist" problem that happened last April in one CA location? Since spending ZERO has apparently "prevented" this from happening before (or after) that single incident then why not try that for another decade or so?
    Look at my example of the buzzard knocking out the power. Someone is putting out BS equipment and pocketing the extra money.

    We're on an electric CO-OP here, we expect better.

    And no I'm not suggesting the FedGov get involved.

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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Just why do "we" need a $2 billion (at least) federal solution to a breaking news "terrorist" problem that happened last April in one CA location? Since spending ZERO has apparently "prevented" this from happening before (or after) that single incident then why not try that for another decade or so?
    Back in the early nineties some high tension wire guys told me the grid was vulnerable.

    According to them, simply throwing metal conduit over the fence could "kill" a substation.

    So the REAL question is why it hasn't been addressed.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Look at my example of the buzzard knocking out the power. Someone is putting out BS equipment and pocketing the extra money.

    We're on an electric CO-OP here, we expect better.

    And no I'm not suggesting the FedGov get involved.
    Making transformers bullet proof, or placing them under constant guard, is not in the same league as having working breakers installed to prevent damage from short circuits. Perhaps we can simply make "gun free zones" around the transformers, arresting any that happen to drive/walk by them (within 1000 feet?) while armed - after all, that keeps our schools safe.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Back in the early nineties some high tension wire guys told me the grid was vulnerable.

    According to them, simply throwing metal conduit over the fence could "kill" a substation.

    So the REAL question is why it hasn't been addressed.
    Cost/benefit analysis. You can have fairly reliable power at the current rates or much more reliable power at much higher rates.
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    Re: Snipers’ attack on Silicon Valley power stations a ‘preparation for an act of war

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    A group of individuals with sniper rifles disabled 17 giant transformers in Silicon Valley in April — an attack labeled as “the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred.” No one has been charged with the April 16 attack on PG&E Corp.’s PCG Metcalf transmission substation, which suffered almost a month’s work of damage, according to the Wall Street Journal. For almost 20 minutes, the snipers took out the grid before disappearing into the darkness. I heard about this a couple of days ago but didn't remember seeing it here and was unable to find in search. Shouldn't we have known about this sooner??
    It was Maggie that brought this in a few days ago, IIRC.

    It is sometimes amazing to read what self proclaimed fire arms enthusiasts say about an incident. Even more to read those with apparently NO fire arms experience making claims about who can be responsible. Mark Johnson, the retired VP, has abso-freakin-lutely NO clue about what he is claiming.

    There is a video out there showing the muzzle blast of one of the firearms used. The distinctive streaks are a dead give-a-way the weapon isn't a 'sniper' rifle. My money is on no rifle at all but a pistol. If you have ever attended/worked a real tacti-cool night fire you's know the muzzle flash is very subdued- no streaks of burning powder. Pistol and shot gun yes, a well designed 'sniper' rifle HAIL NO!

    Next the time line. 17 big assed targets in roughly 20 minutes. NO self respecting 'sniper' is that slow. To give an example of grace under a timeline. I shoot 22 rounds in under 20 minutes at a 3" circle 6 football fields away, and half that time is for the target to be lowered and scored between rounds. It takes quite a gust of wind for me to miss wider than a man's chest. A 'sniper' would limit his exposure as much as possible- 5 minutes tops from first to last round.

    Perhaps the biggest reason 'we' didn't hear about this is it didn't cause any 'suffering' on the consumer's part. Redundancy in the grid system has come along way babay....

    SO..... while a very big act of vandalism it is just that, vandalism. I suppose the perps can be charged with domestic terrorism, the net gets cast wide at times, but this isn't an act or war, unless the perps have a hard-on for the power companies- a far better bet in my book.

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