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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LOL well the jesus "extremists" were already upset when they learned that FED already recognized marriage "federally" so they will get over it

    also while i do agree in principle about laws violating rights I would prefer its done the right way but, theres no factual evidence of it being the wrong way. Its just a way people dont like. Well . . . oh well
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If the dumbass congress makes laws that discriminate, it is every American's duty to completely ignore them.
    thats to much chaos and anarchy for my taste but i like your fire
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thats to much chaos and anarchy for my taste but i like your fire
    Ok, so, if the congress made a law saying that African Americans can't marry, going completely contrary to the will of the people, you'd respect that because "It's the law."? I suspect not. The government derives its power from the consent of the governed, and we don't have to simply accept everything they do.

    The supreme court has already ruled 13 times that marriage is a fundamental human right, so this shouldn't even be a discussion. The discriminatory law is illegal.
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OK, let's try this one...
    That is a stretch. The Justice Department is only extending federal benefits to married same sex couples. It is not obligating states that do not recognize same sex marriage into granting any benefits or recognizing those unions in any way. His argument is because SCOTUS did not explicitly state one way or the other whether same sex couples in states that do not recognize marriage are entitled to federal benefits, that they are not. It is the man's opinion, not the law.

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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1.)Ok, so, if the congress made a law saying that African Americans can't marry, going completely contrary to the will of the people, you'd respect that because "It's the law."? I suspect not.
    2.)The government derives its power from the consent of the governed, and we don't have to simply accept everything they do.

    3.)The supreme court has already ruled 13 times that marriage is a fundamental human right, so this shouldn't even be a discussion. The discriminatory law is illegal.
    1.) respecting the law and wanting it properly changed are two different things, theres laws right now i dont "respect" but i dont want them broken or the rules of the government broken
    2.) again on the surface and for this topic thats to much chaos and anarchy for my taste
    3.) 14 actually, the law is discriminatory i agree
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) respecting the law and wanting it properly changed are two different things, theres laws right now i dont "respect" but i dont want them broken or the rules of the government broken
    2.) again on the surface and for this topic thats to much chaos and anarchy for my taste
    3.) 14 actually, the law is discriminatory i agree
    I can understand your view, I don't necessarily agree with it. However, with that said I'm of the thought that if you feel a law is bad and you don't want to follow it, just expect to pay the consequences when your caught breaking the law.

    I used to speed quite a bit, but I knew that if I were caught it was MY fault and I would have to pay the consequences for it. In fact, I racked up about 3 very hefty tickets doing it. I never blamed the officer that gave me the ticket.

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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    1.)I can understand your view, I don't necessarily agree with it. However, with that said I'm of the thought that if you feel a law is bad and you don't want to follow it, just expect to pay the consequences when your caught breaking the law.

    I used to speed quite a bit, but I knew that if I were caught it was MY fault and I would have to pay the consequences for it. In fact, I racked up about 3 very hefty tickets doing it. I never blamed the officer that gave me the ticket.
    but in some cases its impossible, like this topic. Gays just cant break the law and be LEGALLY married
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is a stretch. The Justice Department is only extending federal benefits to married same sex couples. It is not obligating states that do not recognize same sex marriage into granting any benefits or recognizing those unions in any way. His argument is because SCOTUS did not explicitly state one way or the other whether same sex couples in states that do not recognize marriage are entitled to federal benefits, that they are not. It is the man's opinion, not the law.
    Correct states rights are fully intact
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I can understand your view, I don't necessarily agree with it. However, with that said I'm of the thought that if you feel a law is bad and you don't want to follow it, just expect to pay the consequences when your caught breaking the law.

    I used to speed quite a bit, but I knew that if I were caught it was MY fault and I would have to pay the consequences for it. In fact, I racked up about 3 very hefty tickets doing it. I never blamed the officer that gave me the ticket.
    This is not equatable to a speeding violation.
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    Re: Feds to expand legal benefits, services for same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is not equatable to a speeding violation.
    yeah not quite the same


    unfortunately some laws are easily breakable or you can break them in protest or find legal ways around them just to do or in protest and its easier to fight.

    FOr instance being married were its legal then moving to where its not. Its not a crime but they dont recognize it and its easy to fight for ones rights under those circumstances.


    but for example gun laws.

    I can very well open carry where i want or even worse conceal carry where i want because that could be a felony lol changes things dramatically because if it wasnt like that i would gladly carry in protest.

    anyway back on topic its nice that at least the federal side is working hard to grant equal rights for federal benefits

    sooner or later though it will be national state too.
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