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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He cut in half, at least the number of teams that might draft him. Should have waited till after the ink was dry on a contract.
    Doubtful. He's there to play football. If he could play at Mizzou without a problem, why should the NFL be any different? You do realize that "the Packers" isn't a slur, right? "The Packers" come from the meat packing industry, not a homosexual slur.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    To bump this guy down the list strictly because he is gay is not cool...and I don't even begin to care what your justification is.
    Cool story bro. Perhaps when I actually bump him down strictly because he's gay I'd care about your ridiculous judgement of me on it. But considering your ridiculously going off of your own imaginary world where everyone says what you want them to say instead of actually dealing in the real world where you actually have to accept that people have thoughts and articulate them and you'd have to actually read them to be able to interact, I don't expect that to happen.

    You go have all the respect for the imaginatary characters in your head all you want. When you want to talk about what I'm ACTUALLY saying and lay your judgement on that, get back to me.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Doubtful. He's there to play football. If he could play at Mizzou without a problem, why should the NFL be any different? You do realize that "the Packers" isn't a slur, right? "The Packers" come from the meat packing industry, not a homosexual slur.

    NFLPA said they welcomed him.
    Yea, I know what the Packers name means. And of course the players association says they will welcome him. Other wise his lawsuit payout would be more than a 5 year playing contract.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Cool story bro. Perhaps when I actually bump him down strictly because he's gay I'd care about your ridiculous judgement of me on it. But considering your ridiculously going off of your own imaginary world where everyone says what you want them to say instead of actually dealing in the real world where you actually have to accept that people have thoughts and articulate them and you'd have to actually read them to be able to interact, I don't expect that to happen.

    You go have all the respect for the imaginatary characters in your head all you want. When you want to talk about what I'm ACTUALLY saying and lay your judgement on that, get back to me.
    Okee dokee.

    Btw - your words from post #35:

    'If I was the GM of my team at the moment there's no way I draft this guy unless it's in the LATE rounds for great value, and even then I think about it. Why? Because I don't want my team having an unncessary additional distraction.'


    Sounds to me like you bumped him down because he is gay to me. If he was not gay, you would have drafted him wherever your scouts told you to. But because he is gay, you won't.


    Anyway, I have wasted enough time on this with you.

    We are done here for now.


    Good day.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He cut in half, at least the number of teams that might draft him. Should have waited till after the ink was dry on a contract.
    Can't disagree more.

    By all accounts, this was pretty widely known by his teammates and his coaches. I think it's far fetched to imagine that NFL teams doing their due dillegence on picks wouldn't have discovered this. What's more, I don't believe that the media doing their due dillegence leading up to the draft wouldn't have found something like this out. Especially once you get to the combine and have team interviews and you ALWAYS see "anonymous" leaks coming out of those.

    If anything, he may actually help himself out a bit. Now the story at least has a chance to catch fire and potentially die out a bit so that come draft time and training camp it's not as BIG of a story. Had this came out shortly before the draft then I think it'd have hurt him far worse.

    And, even outside of any damage to his draft stock....I can't blame him one bit for this. He had a reasonable belief that this would probalby "get out" in some fashion prior to the draft because it was known even if it wasn't amazingly public. With that in mind, I can't blame him at all with wanting to be the person making it known rather than crusing onto something like ProFootballTalk one day and seeing a story about an "anonymous" source leaking out that a player interviewed at the combine was gay and then seeing a follow up one naming some unnamed source on the Mizzu team claiming that he was that player.

    I do think it'll hinder him on the draft boards, but ultimately I think he's got the talent that he'll make it into the league in some fashion. It ultimately only takes one team saying "The risk is worth the reward". In the long run a drop on the board may actually be beneficial to him...as I imagine this makes it more likely a stable, well ran organizatoin takes him in a later round as a "value pick".

    For his playing sake, I actually hope you don't have a small market team struggling to get "buzz" pick him in like the 2nd or early third and basically put a lot of unneeded pressure on his shoulders not for football reasons but because of marketting and political agendas.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, I know what the Packers name means. And of course the players association says they will welcome him. Other wise his lawsuit payout would be more than a 5 year playing contract.
    ... or they actually support him.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You mean like everybody just said ho-hum when the first black baseball player made the major leagues?
    I doubt this guy is the first homosexual to play in the majors, so that comparison makes no sense.

    And why can't a person on his team say "I don't mind you are gay but I would feel uncomfortable showering with you." What is wrong with that?! That would seem like the natural reaction to me, yet I'm sure if someone were to say that the rainbow flagwavers would be calling him a bigot in two seconds. That's why everybody has to overcompensate in these situations and make this guy the biggest hero since Washington crossed the friggin Delaware.

    gets to be a bit much.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Sounds to me like you bumped him down because he is gay to me.
    Sounds to me like you're being amazingly dishonest and highlighting the issue with you apparently not reading words people write and instead just responding based off your imagination.

    I identified what the distraction is over and over and over again in every post I've made in this thread. From my very first post I noted...the fact this is already a major news story, not just with the sports media but the normal media, is a major distraction. The news coverage of this is a major distraction.

    The reason I wouldn't want Tim Tebow on my team isn't because he's a proud Christian who routinely speaks his faith....it's because the media is obsessed with him and even if he's the 3rd string QB there will be a ton of attention and questions surrounding him.

    The reason I wouldn't want to take Michael Sam if I'm the Redskins, especially in the 3rd or 4th round, isn't because he's gay...it's because the media is obsessed with glomming onto anything that can tie political issues to sports and will cause a backup OLB to likely cause a lot of unnecessary media attention and questions.

    For someone who keeps telling me "we're done" and how much time you're wasting, you sure are taking a lot of time to continue to misrepresent what I'm saying again and again and again. Just so you know...if you misrepresent what I've CLEARLy said I'm going to respond and set the record straight. So if you keep responding in such a fashion you can expect to keep getting responses pointing out your dishonesty.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    I doubt this guy is the first homosexual to play in the majors, so that comparison makes no sense.
    Well, he absolutely wouldn't be the first homosexual to play in the NFL. One of the greatest Redskins of all time, and one of the best Tight Ends ever (he really should be getting a look at the hall of fame by the senior committee at some point), Jerry Smith was a homosexual. However, Michael would be the first openly gay player to actively be drafted and/or play in the NFL while gay which is why it's a big deal.

    And I don't think there'd be anything wrong at all with someone being uncomfortable about showering with him. Hell, I know guys who are uncomfortable showering with other straight guys. Making that an issue, either on one side going "We can't have them there! someone may feel uncomfortable showering with them" or going "Wow! What an ass, how dare he feel uncomfortable", is just ridiculous to me.

    Now, it will probably take a strong locker room. And I do think what steeler's Safety Ryan Clark said recently is going to play into things...how does the guy handle a lockerroom. Guys make fun of guys, and football players largely are unfiltered. Clark said something along the lines of how they'll make fun of guy whose ugly, or whose fat, or whose spouse is ugly, etc because generally in the locker room it's known to all be just kind of part of the ribbing and the fun. I don't doubt the guy's going to get some ribs, especially as a rookie, that relate to his sexual orientation (just like I'm sure guys will get ribbed if they went out with a "dog" the night before. Guys joke about sex lives in gratitous fashion often). The question would be how he handles that.

    However, I'd not worry too much about that. First, that's something in a general sense every NFL team does...trying to see if a guy coming in is going to be able to handle the personality of an NFL locker room. This will happen even more in light of the stuff down in Miami. Two, I can't imagine that with his teammates at Mizzu knowing this that there wasn't an off hand joke or two that he had to deal with and if he couldn't he would've had more issues there.

    I really don't think the "gay" thing within the locker room is going to be as bad or as big of an issue as some people are thinking.

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can't disagree more.

    By all accounts, this was pretty widely known by his teammates and his coaches. I think it's far fetched to imagine that NFL teams doing their due dillegence on picks wouldn't have discovered this. What's more, I don't believe that the media doing their due dillegence leading up to the draft wouldn't have found something like this out. Especially once you get to the combine and have team interviews and you ALWAYS see "anonymous" leaks coming out of those.

    If anything, he may actually help himself out a bit. Now the story at least has a chance to catch fire and potentially die out a bit so that come draft time and training camp it's not as BIG of a story. Had this came out shortly before the draft then I think it'd have hurt him far worse.

    And, even outside of any damage to his draft stock....I can't blame him one bit for this. He had a reasonable belief that this would probalby "get out" in some fashion prior to the draft because it was known even if it wasn't amazingly public. With that in mind, I can't blame him at all with wanting to be the person making it known rather than crusing onto something like ProFootballTalk one day and seeing a story about an "anonymous" source leaking out that a player interviewed at the combine was gay and then seeing a follow up one naming some unnamed source on the Mizzu team claiming that he was that player.

    I do think it'll hinder him on the draft boards, but ultimately I think he's got the talent that he'll make it into the league in some fashion. It ultimately only takes one team saying "The risk is worth the reward". In the long run a drop on the board may actually be beneficial to him...as I imagine this makes it more likely a stable, well ran organizatoin takes him in a later round as a "value pick".

    For his playing sake, I actually hope you don't have a small market team struggling to get "buzz" pick him in like the 2nd or early third and basically put a lot of unneeded pressure on his shoulders not for football reasons but because of marketting and political agendas.
    He will be ran out of the locker room. His toughness will be called into question at every turn and will get his ass handed to him every time someone thinks he is "checking them out". He will be considered weak and even the fans will never accept him.

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