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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It should have never been an issue in the first place. There should not be a barrier.
    True. But there is. That's simply reality.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Good for him. When a controversial issue such as LGBT rights and equality is at play this is a big deal. Good for him.


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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    The media will make a huge, overblown deal about it, while the rest of us say ho-hum go about our lives not giving a f*** whether you're gay or not.
    This is going to mean a lot to many people. If it goes well for him, it will encourage others, all the way down to high school and college level to not hide it, and it will *in time* become a non issue. You don't care, well clearly the gay athletes who are run out of sports or afraid to be themselves do care.

    If it doesn't go well, if he gets screwed like kerry rhodes, it will quite possibly ruin his life, set gay athletes back years, and create a black eye the nfl will never live down. It's also illegal to discriminate in many of those cities, so it will be interesting to see how this goes on draft day. Very ballsy thing to do before he has a contract.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Who wants to bet this dude's chances of being a first round draft pick were slim and none, yesterday?

    Like that basketball cat that came out of the closet. He'll NEVER get cut, now.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Who cares? Why does this need announcing?

    This just in... my neighbor's son is gay. Time to call CNN!

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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Honestly, we shouldn't have to care. But there have been several players in many sports who came out after their playing days who never dared come out while active. The ex-punter for the Vikings is alleging discrimination from his position coach based purely on his outspoken stance on gay marriage, and there's an ex-linebacker for the Ravens who also was vocally supportive of gay marriage who now can't get a job.

    Until the walls of intolerance are fully broken down, every openly gay athlete's story is a story worth telling.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who wants to bet this dude's chances of being a first round draft pick were slim and none, yesterday?

    Like that basketball cat that came out of the closet. He'll NEVER get cut, now.
    1. Sam wasn't going to be a first-rounder. He's projected as a mid-round pick, depending on the picking team's need. He's a solid lineman, strong as an ox but a little slow off the snap.

    2. I assume you mean Jason Collins as the "basketball cat." He's out of the league. Largely because he was never that good.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    This is going to mean a lot to many people. If it goes well for him, it will encourage others, all the way down to high school and college level to not hide it, and it will *in time* become a non issue. You don't care, well clearly the gay athletes who are run out of sports or afraid to be themselves do care.

    If it doesn't go well, if he gets screwed like kerry rhodes, it will quite possibly ruin his life, set gay athletes back years, and create a black eye the nfl will never live down. It's also illegal to discriminate in many of those cities, so it will be interesting to see how this goes on draft day. Very ballsy thing to do before he has a contract.
    Interesting that you bring up Kerry Rhodes. Rhodes is quite obviously gay, and is vehemently in denial of it (publicly). And he can't get signed.

    It's illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in most NFL cities for most jobs; however, I don't think it will apply to his draft status. There's other criteria upon which it is illegal to discriminate against for employment in those cities and (in most cases) states, but the NFL plays by different rules. If it didn't, a paraplegic could conceivably sue for discrimination under the ADA.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    It will be interesting when conflicting laws collide. The EEOC definition of sexual harassment is:
    "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.

    Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature, however, and can include offensive remarks about a person’s sex. For example, it is illegal to harass a woman by making offensive comments about women in general.

    Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex.

    Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted)."

    All that is very loose and subjective. Right now, the women of Wellesly College are upset with a statue of a man in underwear and are threaten by his existence. The statue will probably be removed. Clearly a NFL player in the locker room has a right to not feel harassed by an openly gay teammate. And it is not your place to dictate that he should not feel harassed. This player should not be bullied into accepting an openly gay player. In fact, to criticize the offended player would be a violation of civil rights laws.

    I know that I am being ridiculous here. No court would allow it. The sexual harassment laws will be ignored in this case. But why is it anyone's concern what a person's sex life is and why is that allowable in a workplace to state one's sexual proclivities.
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    Re: All-American college football player Michael Sam says he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who wants to bet this dude's chances of being a first round draft pick were slim and none, yesterday?

    Like that basketball cat that came out of the closet. He'll NEVER get cut, now.
    Well you would be wrong, 1st All-American and a Defensive player of the year and in fact everyone who knows thinks his draft stock will slide. GMs are going on the record saying it will cause him to be draft further down the line. So.....

    By the way Jason Collins, near the end of his career, doesn't have a job anymore after coming out gay. No one picked up his contract.

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